#s matching-tripower judge on ebay
 

i bet you guys never saw one these,seller claims numbers matching-tripower judge!WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAS TO BE WORTH A FORTUNE-EXCEPT HE LOST THE RAM AIR PAN FOR THE TRIPOWER.i am still trying to figure out how a 59 looking tripower fits on 69 heads?????????

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Yeah not everybody is as intelligent as gregsgtos2. But I bet you never contacted the individual to help them out but you will go out of your way to poke fun. Sad that us Pontiac people has intelligent people like yourself in the same hobby.:(

it does have the original engine, that is a major plus.

I wonder if the VIN is earlier than BetWinners 01C Baltimore Judge.
Its about 3000 or 4000 earlier than my 02C Baltimore.

"H" date codes on the heads would be the earliest I've ever seen on a 69 Judge.
Dare to say "too early" ? but never say never

Should be a Pattern Built Judge when PHS gets posted.

Radiator support looks like 68.

Seems like a decent project at a fair price. It just needs to be viewed/inspected by someone with Pontiac knowledge. Pictures and description leave a lot to be desired.

That cars near me, maybe i should go check it out! i'm no judge restoration expert thou. don't think i've seen this car before around here, but don't know how long it's been off the road either. heck, i might know who it belongs to or someone who does know the owner! as I make a point to talk to any classic pontiac owners i've run into locally over the last 20 years! several of my non- Pontiac friends call me when they run across pontiac stuff as i'm usually the only guy they know that into Pontiacs!

oh,dont worry.i am sure that someone will tell him everything he needs to know.only when they do that,they will probably make some one on here that is trying to buy it pay alot more for it than they would have if they didnt educate him.i know some people that think they are helping,are actually hurting.dont worry,i am not trying to buy it,so that is not my motive.i think the seller is responsible to learn something about what they are selling.i remember,but you guys must have forgotten,the only reason i ever got on this site is when i was building and selling gtos and i had people calling me to tell me how all the experts on here were cutting on my cars.remember?????????

I owned a 1969 Judge, Baltimore car, with a VIN of 242379B151562

The car spent most of it's life in MN, until the late 90s when it went, with it's MN owner, to AZ. He kept it for several years and sold it to an AZ collector, who subsequently sold it several years ago.

Here's the build sheet:

http://www.webpik.com/images/274TY4A...O-Judge001.jpg

And a picture when finished

http://www.webpik.com/images/274TY4A...TO-Judge-4.jpg

i saw that & its either a scam or the guy truley doesnt know what he has as hes not really answering the questions right.
No judge wing or holes for no ram air cables or nothing....... Id be careful with that one or lowball em

PHS is posted, looks to be a real Judge!

My vin is 154XXX and the one for sale if 156XXX I believe. My date codes are October 1968 which is J so his have a larger spread. 68gtoMN's vin below is before mine. My ship date is 2-5-69 though which may mean nothing.

I sometimes wonder what might indicate the build sequence because info is not always consistent. The vin may be the best estimate.

68gtoMN, I would like to know what was used to connect the 2 ram air cables on the upper pan on your car. My car uses a piece of stamped metal that the 2 cables fit into. A bolt, washer and nut are used to tighten the cables down. I don't know how long this was used before the factories switched to the first block connector. What did your former Judge use if you can remember?

This thread is one of the reasons I signed up today . God im still pissed at my Best man of my wedding . My best man Rick had a 69 Judge , you know the orange colored one , 400 A/T black interior . I came home one day after work and Rick own the house across the street from me and there was the Judge lifted by the strap type wreckers right on the nose of the car . So I walked over and asked him whats wrong with it ? He says I ripped the header off of it because it sat low ( driveway had a big lip ) and It pissed me off so I sold It . I said what ? I told him if he ever would sell the Judge I want to be first inline , I guess I wasnt . He sold the car for $250.00 back in 1980 and it had Factory paint but was rusting around the rear 1/4 . Here is a guy that I pulled engines ,transmissions and all other stupid stuff with and he sells the car from right out from me . We were not close after that . I seen him two years ago and I broke his stones of "How is my GTO doing ? " When they named him they left the first letter out from his name ........ The letter ......... P....k . Im still pissed . :argue:

Thanks for finally responding BW. :rolleyes: lol

I remembered your codes being Oct/Nov, thats why i wondered how the VIN fit in with yours. Being they are both Baltimore. Yours is about 2000 vins before this one.

"H" 68 date code is way out of synch on those heads. I don't think they are original to the car. Just an educated opinion.

The poor guy only halfway answers half of the questions he posts that get asked.

I'd be interested in the block and intake dates of the car. But so far he hasn't been able to even post the block code or head codes that have been in 2 or 3 of the questions he posted. It does look like the head code is _8 in the head date picture.
No response to my questions so far.

It is a 'Pattern Built' Judge.

I'm not slapping the car. Just always curious.
I hope its nice and that the next owner is very satisfied with it overall. :usa2:

I don't always follow every thread...............:o

car was sold new about 15 minutes from my dads house.he used to have me take his 69 gto convertible there for service when i got my license.i believe regenold pontiac went out of business a few years ago.looks like a good project,the tripower would be good trading stock for other parts needed for the judge.

Seller states in answers to questions that the tripower is included but not meant to go with the car. So he does know that it didn't come with it!

he does---NOW.read the original ad.

The 69 Judge I am currently restoring is also an early Baltimore car. When I ran the PHS several years ago, Jim Mattison CALLED to say that mine was the earliest Baltimore built car he had seen so far. My vin is B154xxx and the PHS ship date is 02/11/69. He may have been referring to a US delivered car when he made his statement however.

Bet Winner has the earliest known PHS ship date of 02/05/69 however his Judge went to Canada. 68gtoMN has the lowest Baltimore Judge VIN I have seen so far however his ship date wasn't until 02/13/69. I'm also curious how the body numbers compare, I've found they are all over the place with no rhym or reason. Also, why would ship dates be two days apart on cars over 3,000 vins# apart?

By the way, 68gtoMN's old car and my car are IDENTICAL in every color and option. His pattern order # is 00021 and mine is 00022. Bet Winner, how is your car equipped compared to B151562?

Also, does anyone have a US delivered Baltimore Judge with a PHS ship date before 02/11/69?

The auction car looks like a decent deal even without the tripower.

I was being sarcastically goofy.
Should have PM'd you about this one.

GTOJOHN, BW's car shipped to Virginia.
The one that shipped to Canada was shipped in late January.
GTOPLACE's shipped to California in late January.
Other than those two - Feb 5 seems to be earliest release - and have seen numerous with that Feb 5 date.

On the "pattern/zone" 000** Stick cars, the only variations on options were 3 speed stick / 4 speed stick. And Parchment / Black interiors.
Otherwise they are all the same equipment.

Out of about nearly 100 or so Stick models I have viewed, only seen 3 with the 3spd Stick. Most common seems to be Black Interior with 4spd.

John V. did a write up for us in another thread that helped put 'some' rhyme to these "pattern built zone cars". They went to zone lots (like a storage tank). And were released as dealer orders came in for one. Standing orders seem to have been held until Feb 5.

A lot of these were built and stored 1-2-3 weeks prior to being released.
Some even longer. The latest ship date on a Pattern Judge i've seen was in late March or early April. It was built in late Jan or early Feb. A PY member owns it.

It would have been a real Kodak moment seeing a lot with 50-100+ brand new Orange Judges coralled together.

BVZ, Thanks for the good info as usual.

I wonder if all this stuff is being archived by somebody....

Some of these cars that have different or odd ship dates vs build dates, may have been held back as "repairs" may have had defects that needed to be repaired before shipping. I work at a GM truck assembly plant, and they have "back lot" trucks awaiting quality repairs that may set for weeks before there shipped.

Also, want to add that all ship dates are not "created equally"--we are not always comparing apples and apples. We have been told that the ship date for zone ordered cars is the ship date from the zone lot to the dealership. My car, and others made at the same time, may have been shipped from the factory to the zone lots the end of the 3rd week of January or the 4th week of January. (I know Barron knows this, and I'm repeating myself--sorry.)

The January 31 ship date for GTOPLACE's car (an 01D car), is a "from the factory" ship date since it was bound for a dealership at that time--a very large CA dealer. The Canadian car was also bound for a dealership when it left if I remember correctly.

We'll never know the earliest ship date from the factory because of this difference unless we find some other info.

Oh, and that zone lot must have been a sight...........................wish someone had a picture.

[QUOTE=Baron Von Zeppelin;3535068]
It is a 'Pattern Built' Judge.

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What does "Pattern Built" mean? Sorry if I missed it somewhere else.

[QUOTE=GregP;3536607]When Judge production began, various Pontiac zone offices "ordered" (not sure if the zones actually ordered them or Pontiac's executives had them sent) Judges. The Judges that were built were generally in 2 versions--1) a manual shift version with certain options (usually a 4-speed which we call the 4-speed pattern) and 2) an automatic version with certain options (called the automatic pattern).

Apparently dealerships could order a Judge at this time, but we have found few Judges produced in January that were not "patterns." One such dealer ordered Judge made the 4th week of January (I believe) is GTOPLACE's Judge, and it does not have the "pattern" options. I believe it is the one ordered by Bob Longpre Pontiac near LA--a large dealership. It has hidden headlights and does not follow the normal pattern. I was surprised when I saw his PHS.

Looks like someone around this car bought it, or they pulled it. EBAY was easily figured out when I started there, they've changed it so much who knows what's going on anymore...DW

And another tidbit to mention on the "Pattern Built Judges".
When DeLorean and/or Wangers have ever mentioned reference in speeches or interviews about the initial planned first 2000 69 Judges built - these "Pattern Built" Judges are the ones they were refering to.

But its common ad hype on 'almost' every Orange 69 Judge that gets auctioned to claim "one of the first 2000".

Another good thing about the Pattern Cars is they are nicely/desirably equipped.
There are exceptions, but most often better equipped than big majority of non-pattern built 69 III Judges.

Doug, Auction ended with Buy it Now for $12,000. I thought that was an ok deal for a complete numbers Judge project.

I agree with you the price was great. Just that as I read it, the bidder did all there bidding with that seller. I just thought the way it ended seemed odd.
That car can be restored very nicely and a person should be in it for quite a bit less than 40K, I know, I've been keeping good track of costs lately.
I think I may start a restoration shop on the side, or atleast do some partials. I could charge much less than what I've heard is the going rate...DW

I have been discussing the car with the owner of it. Very nice guy and is doing his best to represent the car accurately, but isn't a car guy. He offered it to me for $15k...a bit more that I was willing to spend right now. He was getting all kinds of offers, his highest was slightly above what e-bay indicates the car sold for.

He had offered it to me at $13,500 on Wednesday. I tried to get the block date code and letter code from him. He kept telling me he would get it but he never did. I gave a long list of items I couldn't see in the photos and he said they had all of them. He said hood had some rust issues. My only hesitation was verifying numbers on block and that he demanded it be taken out in 7 days. He is Indiana and I'm in Ma. I didn't think I could pull that off in that short of time. If everything checked out it probably would have been better taking the money out of the market and buying this.

I think on Tuesday, his highest offer was $12,500. Honestly, I would have probably gone $12,000 that he got, and could have gotten the car tomorrow. Oh, well..still have my 69 Judge rustbucket project. ;-)

Put me at the top of the list Doug!

Want to do my 68 for me?