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Old Goat Racer 03-24-2020 01:46 PM

69 disc brakes
 
I know a guy who wants to put front disc brakes on his 69 Cat.
What are his options ?

'ol Pinion head 03-24-2020 01:59 PM

Single piston caliper late '68 -70 Pontiac B series disc spindles/calipers/rotors are out there, not sure what the availability of new rotors is for them today.

rustyrelic 03-24-2020 03:25 PM

Yup, 69 -70 front spindles. And yes, I think it will hard and expensive to find rotors. Believe Scarebird has a kit?

rustyrelic 03-24-2020 03:26 PM

Yup, 69 -70 front spindles. And yes, I think it will hard and expensive to find rotors. Master cylinder for the 69-70 disk car. Believe Scarebird has a kit? I think I should have also installed a residual valve as when I finished, it seems like the rear gets too much whoa as compared to the front.

Scarebird 03-24-2020 08:51 PM

sorry -we do not anymore.

They were extremely slow sellers and required different components than the earlier kits.

hurryinhoosier62 03-24-2020 09:54 PM

Check with Master Power. I believe they have a kit that will work. It's pricey($1800) and requires the use of 17" wheels. OE rotors and calipers are still available through RockAuto(Raybestos parts). He might want contact Steve Snyder @ CO Pontiacs, Frank's Pontiac Parts or Steve Barrack(Pontiac Heaven) to see if either of them have a '69 or '70 with the complete system still in place.

Ben M. 03-25-2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62 (Post 6122663)
OE rotors and calipers are still available through RockAuto(Raybestos parts).

The parts stores all list rotors available, but if you check the part number they give you it's a 4.75 on 5 bolt pattern and not correct for these cars. No one is making the original rotors that fit these cars to my knowledge.

Best thing you can hope for is finding a late '68-70 B body with disc brakes in good shape that is getting parted or junked.

mr67gp 03-25-2020 11:13 AM

CPR sells rotors for the '67/'68 cars. Not cheap!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1968-P...P/264395338506

hurryinhoosier62 03-25-2020 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M. (Post 6122767)
The parts stores all list rotors available, but if you check the part number they give you it's a 4.75 on 5 bolt pattern and not correct for these cars. No one is making the original rotors that fit these cars to my knowledge.

Best thing you can hope for is finding a late '68-70 B body with disc brakes in good shape that is getting parted or junked.

Every source I’ve looked up lists two different wheel lug bolt patterns for ‘67-‘70 “B” bodies: 5 X 5 (like my ‘64 Catalina) and 5 X 120.7mm(5 X 4.75). One more case of measuring before buying.

David Brown 03-25-2020 04:08 PM

I am so glad I bought a couple NOS rotors years ago when they were still available and not ridiculously expensive for my 70 Bonneville.

Ben M. 03-25-2020 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62 (Post 6122849)
Every source I’ve looked up lists two different wheel lug bolt patterns for ‘67-‘70 “B” bodies: 5 X 5 (like my ‘64 Catalina) and 5 X 120.7mm(5 X 4.75).

While I'm sure you are correct that the sources say that, I have never seen a 1967-1976 B-body with anything other than 5 on 5 bolt pattern. The application listing in many cases lists the wagon version as the 4.75 on 5, which I know should be wrong having owned a half dozen over the years. I did this conversion myself 15 years ago and back then the 4.75 on 5 was NOT listed as a viable source by any of the old books or computers. The bearing sizes between the two are not interchangeable to fit the smaller bolt pattern rotor on the spindle of a big car (I tried both a '70-81 F-body and a '71 A-body).

In 1977+ I know the 4.75" on 5 bolt pattern was the standard and only heavy duty suspension cars got 5" on 5, making finding brakes for them an exercise in fun.

hurryinhoosier62 03-25-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben M. (Post 6122926)
While I'm sure you are correct that the sources say that, I have never seen a 1967-1976 B-body with anything other than 5 on 5 bolt pattern. The application listing in many cases lists the wagon version as the 4.75 on 5, which I know should be wrong having owned a half dozen over the years. I did this conversion myself 15 years ago and back then the 4.75 on 5 was NOT listed as a viable source by any of the old books or computers. The bearing sizes between the two are not interchangeable to fit the smaller bolt pattern rotor on the spindle of a big car (I tried both a '70-81 F-body and a '71 A-body).

In 1977+ I know the 4.75" on 5 bolt pattern was the standard and only heavy duty suspension cars got 5" on 5, making finding brakes for them an exercise in fun.

I had a conversation with Nunzi maybe 15 years ago before disc brake conversion kits became available for the ‘61-‘64 “B” bodies. If I remember correctly Nunz said that to convert a ‘64 to disc brakes you had to use a ‘70 “B” disc brake setup. because it used the 5 X 5 (5 X 127mm these days) bolt pattern. I do remember he was VERY specific about the donor being a ‘70.

marxjunk 03-25-2020 10:20 PM

i dont really think 400 for a pair of rotors is expensive...the ones from CPR

i paid $278 a piece for my CTS-V to put it in perspective

Hangn69 03-26-2020 06:50 AM

Kore3 hubs

mr67gp 03-26-2020 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marxjunk (Post 6123063)
i dont really think 400 for a pair of rotors is expensive...the ones from CPR

i paid $278 a piece for my CTS-V to put it in perspective

I actually agree! Compared to the cheap $50 chinesium rotors on ebay, I would gladly pay for NOS rotors. Luckily I also stockpiled a bunch years ago when I found a stash for sale from a closed parts house in NE PA.

Bill Eveland 04-04-2020 06:56 PM

Buy my 70 bonneville lol.or maybe will be parting it out sometime. Has 3.23 posi and 455 ho in it


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