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Roll Call: Ram Air II 68 GTO's
List will be updated as frequently as they come in with enough details and documentation.
Currently we have 12 of these cars Documented over the past 6 years. Out of the 246 cars built - thats only about 5% 199 4speed 47 Automatic If you own or have concrete knowledge of a 68 GTO Ram Air II car - please share and add to the information / data pool we have been compiling for these extra awesome GTO's. Provide as much info/details as possible. Billing History Card, tranny, colors, options, build date, condition, original drivetrain intact, etc ... Not trying to pinpoint car location or location of owner - just documenting the cars themselves. And trying to keep any from being counted more than once. |
Current Known List
1. Convertible Black- Black top- Gold interior - 4spd
Unrestored excellent survivor - high option - 56k miles Sold at Mecum for 165k in 2011 or 2012 Documented BHC on PY 2. Convertible Burgandy- White top- White interior - 4spd Being Frame Off Restored - well optioned John in Ohio Documented BHC on PY 3. Convertible Gold - Gold interior - Blk top - Automatic Low mile survivor with cosmetic resto Rob L in Illinois documented 4. Convertible Red - Blk top - Blk interior - 4spd Mark of Mich. his cousin bought it New. Been sold. 5. Blue - Blue interior - Automatic Numbers match, intact survivor Gary Oklahoma documented 6. VooDoo Green - Black interior - Automatic Project - missing drivetrain Chris "The Boss" in Conn. - bought from Gary Okla documented 7. VooDoo Green - Black Vinyl top - Black interior 4spd Matching #s original survivor - has now been frame off restored by Greg Teeters previously owned by Gary Oklahoma Sold to Kevin in Seattle documented 8. VooDoo Green - Black interior 4spd Brian OhiO Documented BHC on PY 9. Alpine Blue Automatic Unknown Owner Documented BHC on PY 10. Aegena Blue - Black interior - 4spd Bought on eBay as a project / parts car - was left outside with no front clip Turns out as Matching #s Ram2 - parked since 1972 with 52k miles Currently undergoing frame-off resto by owner PY member gto66yellow in Indiana documented * 11. MIA - block only Gold - Blk interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block / engine sold on eBay * 12. MIA - block only Gold - Gold interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block belongs to PY member in GA. 13. Green - Gold interior 4spd project car being frame off restored by owner now in Georgia - PY member gahotrods Documented BHC on PY 14. Red - Blk interior - Blk Vinyl top - 4spd Real Good above driver quality - older resto Sold for 40k June 2012 Meccum Auction Came from Salmon Brothers Collection Have not seen any documents or dates Unknown Owner Knafel in Ohio 68 GTO Ram2 Race Car |
For starters , in case you think you may have a prospect in the barn or in the bushes , your PHS Billing Card would need to have a 7 in option box 34 - - aka 347.
The build date on the trim tag would need to be after 05A - earlier models will be Ram Air 1 Actually 05C is about as early as they (Ram 2) come - but anything built in May is worth checking out. We can verify any of them accurately - via breaking the option prices data on the Billing History from scratch and coming back up from base price of car. Along with destination charge. Ram Air II was a running change late in the production model year. It superceeded the Ram Air 1 option, and had a slightly higher cost than Ram 1. The Ram1 and Ram2 were not available at the same time as an Either / Or selection - such as Ram Air III and Ram Air IV were in 69 and 70. If your prospect has or had Factory Air Conditioning - likely no need to pursue it any further. All these GTO's came standard with 4.33 gears and A/C was not available. A copy of the Billing History Card is The Supreme proof positive. You do not need to reveal your full VIN if you don't want to. I will be glad to do the math / science on any #347 optioned car to determine its status. (with build date No Earlier than 05A) Inquire by posting here - or by Pvt. Msg. We have the methods and pricing descrepencies down to the full science. Some are more complicated than others. The math/science does not lie or play favorites. |
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Sample of the science/math to determine between Ram Air 1 and Ram Air 2
If you try to do your own and have trouble - there are some descrepencies on certain things at different points in the year model. Feel free to ask for help if you encounter problems. THE MATH HAS TO MATCH EXACTLY. 37 5 is actually 37 S = 4.33 axle |
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Todd, is #9 the BHC to the XW engine I sold a few years ago to **** in MI?
And correction on the number of Auto cars - For some reason I thought Brian's was an auto. |
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Yes dammit , #9 is the one from that BHC you supplied.
I never knew at that time - it was just from an engine you had. LoL i'll change that one to MIA status on next listing update. Dropping the MIA's from being numbered probably is a better idea too. This is the BHC that Brian supplied to a Green 4spd. He will have to comment to verify i guess ... else he owes us another BHC ! |
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My master list collection on 68 RamAir2 stuff is on a crashed computer.
I'm running off of what i was able to search back and find posted in threads. Had a nice clear Color Picture of this same 68 Knafel Tin Indian photo. Maybe someone else has a color copy ? |
anyone know where this car is today????
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Update after correction.
Only 11 GTO's MIA's are now un-numbered , but still retain honorable mention. 1. Convertible Black- Black top- Gold interior - 4spd Unrestored excellent survivor - high option - 56k miles Sold at Mecum for 165k in 2011 or 2012 Documented BHC on PY 2. Convertible Burgandy- White top- White interior - 4spd Being Frame Off Restored - well optioned John in Ohio Documented BHC on PY 3. Convertible Gold - Gold interior - Blk top - Automatic Low mile survivor with cosmetic resto Rob L in Illinois documented 4. Convertible Red - Blk top - Blk interior - 4spd Mark of Mich. his cousin bought it New. Been sold. 5. Blue - Blue interior - Automatic Numbers match, intact survivor Gary Oklahoma documented 6. VooDoo Green - Black interior - Automatic Project - missing drivetrain Chris "The Boss" in Conn. - bought from Gary Okla documented 7. VooDoo Green - Black Vinyl top - Black interior 4spd Matching #s original survivor - has now been frame off restored by Greg Teeters previously owned by Gary Oklahoma Sold to Kevin in Seattle documented 8. VooDoo Green - Black interior 4spd Brian OhiO Documented BHC on PY 9. Aegena Blue - Black interior - 4spd Bought on eBay as a project / parts car - was left outside with no front clip Turns out as Matching #s Ram2 - parked since 1972 with 52k miles Currently undergoing frame-off resto by owner PY member gto66yellow in Indiana documented 10. Green - Gold interior 4spd project car being frame off restored by owner now in Georgia - PY member gahotrods Documented BHC on PY 11. Red - Blk interior - Blk Vinyl top - 4spd Real Good above driver quality - older resto Sold for 40k June 2012 Meccum Auction Came from Salmon Brothers Collection Have not seen any documents or dates Unknown Owner * MIA - Knafel in Ohio 68 GTO Ram2 Tin Indian Race Car * MIA - complete LongBlock Alpine Blue - Automatic Documented BHC on PY * MIA - block only Gold - Blk interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block / engine sold on eBay * MIA - block only Gold - Gold interior 4spd Documented BHC on PY Block belongs to PY member in GA. |
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Knafel had the 68 for sale in Aug. 68. Supposedly was bought by a local kid who destroyed it in ’71. Was told it was written up in the Akron paper due to the ex race car connection.
The guy who told me seemed to have a lot of detail, but personally can not substantiate it. I even spent an afternoon at the Akron library going through the 71 and 72 papers, but never found anything. |
I talked with a gentlemen by the name of Ross out of Troy, MI who said he had a red hardtop.
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More info and PHS to come...
The GTO hardtop I have spoken of is located in Monroe, a Cincinnati subburb on the north side. The owners name is Mark, he purchased the car in the early eighties when in high school, the original motor and trans were long gone and he had no idea the car was anything special. It had, and still has, a later 400 and had been converted to an automatic. He drove it until college and then parked it, it sat for twenty years when he decided to get it running. It went to a Restoration shop in Mason OH for brakes, etc. He spent close to 10K just going through the mechanicals and getting it back on the road. While at the shop one day, I looked it over and the shop owner told me the car had a 4.33 rear... I immediately checked the build date and when I saw the Pontiac built car had a June build date, I recommended they get the PHS. A few weeks later it was confirmed! VooDoo Green Black cordova top and interior RA II 4-speed Hood tach and gauges Console Ralley II's Hideaway's I should have a copy of the PHS this week. Plans are underway for a frame-off restoration, no time-frame as of now. I need to add... I am in no way involved in this project, nor do I know the owner. I know the owner of the other shop, that is where the work was performed and also where the restoration will be done. |
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There was also the Stephen Pontiac 1968 GTO, with a chrome beak and a RAII, out of Bristol, CT. Stephen Pontiac had 2 Pontiacs they raced at that time, the other was a 69 Firebird RAIV. I believe both cars were Mayfair Maize in color. They then ran a RAV powered Firebird from 1970-1973.
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That's the one Mike, lightweight chrome nose too!
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so was the chrome nose an option thru the whole model year on the 68 gto's? for some reason all these years i was under the impression that it was an early build only???
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Endura Delete option - Sales Code no. 674 - Chrome Front Bumper (4200 only Credit) -$26.33
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Mark did secure some Ram Air II heads for the car, I've forgotten the date code.
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Just for the record Todd - Gary only beat me by 20 minutes buying my car out of Hemmings in the early 90's, and although there is no drivetrain in the car now, there's a complete one sitting here at my house - XW motor with 4054 Arma Steel crank, D228 96 heads, D208 234 intake and Cliff Ruggles rebuilt 7028270 carb, a fully rebuilt/restored 69 PQ trans (still looking for a 68) and a correct dated 68 ZL rear.
With the 5/28/68 Billing date on the BHC is mine the earliest PHS we have? |
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