slight difference in 68/69 verdero green?
 

is it my eyes or is there a definite difference in 68/69 verdero green, 68 seems to be a lighter brighter shade i prefer, if so any body have cowl tag paint code for 68 verdero?? pics of 68s would help to, thanks merrry christmas!!!:usa2:

X2 I've seen some at shows and didn't like them. but some in pictures on here and I love the 69 version.

The Firebird book I have says the '69 Verdero green is code Q.

My first '69 Firebird was that color from the factory (it was blue when I got it) and I wasn't one I was a fan of that green. It still showed itself through in the trunk and various parts of the car.

Here's a few pics of my 68
http://s300.photobucket.com/user/ada...ans%20Delivery

Although I'm not generally a fan of green, I had a 69 GTO Verdero green that really looked nice.

adam that is color i like def lighter and brighter than my 69 gto was, do you have the factory paint code and the mixing # brand paint on your car? thanks!!!:usa2:

68 and 69 A-body is definitely a different paint code and mix for "Verdoro" green.

Not setting myself up as an authority but here are my thoughts on it....

Verdoro Green was code 'Q' for all three years, '67, '68 and '69. Whether they changed the actual formula, I can't say.
But look at another color.. 'K' was used as the code for several different shades of Turquoise..BUT... every one of those years had a different name for that particular Turquoise. Every time they changed the color, they changed the name and kept the code.
Code 'Q' was however called Verdoro for all three years of production, '67 through '69. They never changed the name.
Kinda makes me tend toward them being the same without some solid proof of the difference.
As for repaints, the differences between the different Verdoro cars running around today is all over the map...So, unless you can get two originals side by side, I'd bet they were the same.

I've painted a few cars and the green color is really affected by the number of coats of paint applied. The more coats of color you spray the darker it gets. Brown and dark blue are the same way. Also, the primer color can make a difference.

And if you're looking at photos, the camera used, the lighting, the computer monitor and on and on.

My hunch is it that back in the day it was the same formula '67-'70. No proof really, but I haven't seen any evidence that it changed either other than the code change from Q to 73 but they changed codes across the board.

I have a theory that no two repainted Verdoro cars are the same. Take a look the next time you see a couple at a show. There's so many different ways people prep them and so many different formulas out there that they are bound to look different.

My car was painted in BASF and I had the shop pull the formula for '68 and '69 Verdoro Green and it was exactly the same. On the other hand, this guy did a couple test panels for '68 and '69 greens in PPG and there was a difference.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=725794

A couple more old related threads:
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=726627

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...=691502&page=3

Ken, you made me realize that I made a mistake in my post above. Pontiac did go from an alpha paint code to a numeric paint code in '69. I still think that the Verdoro formula probably did not change between the years, just as the name did not change. Certain manufacturers may have tweaked their formulas for one reason or another from year to year but I don't think it was in order to change the appearance.
On the other hand, there is a distinct difference between '67 Reef Turquoise and '68 Meridian Turquoise, even though the code for turquoise remained the same. I think the name change is the best indicator of a formula change.

Exactly. I tend to believe that if the formula changed the name did too. You could extend your turquoise example into '69 with Crystal Turquoise.

Do a search, plenty of post on Verdoro. As I see it '67 and '68 were the same '69 different as well as '70. I used PPG Global #43745(prime) on mine. I still have to rub it out and buff but here are a few pictures. Look at this link from a few months ago. http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...hlight=verdoro Also Ultimate GTO web site has lots of pictures,but color really changes from a cloudy day/sunny/inside/outside. I was at PY open house the past few years and was able to see a lot of different shades of Verdoro. IIRC 67/67 was 43745 and 69 was 2095 and I forget what 70 was.

A few from the PY show and other I searched.

My take on the color is '67/'68 are a lighter shade with a gold hue. The 69and '70 are darker green. To really throw someone off check some of the Verdoro green Chevy offered. But with the BC/CC today who knows what you will get and that's what makes it so much fun.

OK guys I blew the dust and cobwebs off of my microfiche in the shop to see if I could shed a little light on this. I have PPG Acrylic Enamel Paint codes/chips/mix formulas etc on microfilm dating back to…I’m not even sure maybe the 30’s. Keep in mind that in these years (67-70) Pontiac was using PPG Lacquer paints.

Anyway here is what I found on Verdoro Green:

1967-68 used the same Paint code (found on the cars data plate ) “Q” and the PPG mix formula is exactly the same for both years.

1969 Pontiac may still have called Verdoro as “Q” (in there paperwork or whatever) but it says the data plate should show it now as code “73”. As well PPG has a different mix formula for code 73 which I will explain down below.

1970 Pontiac again changed the code on the data plate which should now be 47, however the mix formula for this is exactly the same as in 1969.

So according to my PPG info Verdoro Green was exactly the same in 67-68, and then it changed for 69 & 70 (with 69-70 being exactly the same even though the data plate number changed from 73 to 49. Can anybody verify these data plate number are correct?)

Now what’s the difference in the mix formulas you might ask? It’s kind of hard to explain as colors added to the mix go by weight not volume, so unless you are there with a your batch on a scale it might not make a lot of sense. In a nut shell the formula tells you how much of each color you add to the mix until it gets to a certain weight, then you move onto the next color.

Here are some differences I see in the formulas between Earlier 67-68 & Later 69-70 Verdoro Green:
- Both use the same poly number. PPG had different polys, from ones with more fine metallic particles to ones that had more course ones. Anyway both used the same poly but the later had a higher portion of poly in it.
- The black colors added to the mixes were different between the two. I couldn’t say exactly what the difference was but maybe one was darker/lighter than the other? In any case the earlier had a higher portion of black in it.
- Both version used the exact same green but the later had a higher portion of green in it.
- Both also used the same red in it, but the later had a higher portion of Red
- The last difference is that the later mix had a small portion of yellow in it, where as the earlier had no yellow at all.

What does all this mean. You guys will know better than me as I simply don't see enough of these cars and colors up here in the middle of nowhere Canada to form an accurate opinion. There most definitely was a least a change for 69-70.

I get a kick out of seeing people including some buddies of mine debating or picking colors apart at car show or pictures etc. Off the top there are so many variables involved such as paint brand, paint type, primer colors, number of coats, condition it was sprayed under, lighting, how much time has gone by, etc that I’m not sure everyone that does, can say this color on this car is exactly correct or not. Sure some colors are obviously way off the mark, but others have subtle differences that could be caused any one of the many variables.
For example it could be the correct color, but looks lighter/darker due to the undercoats, or simply lighting in a picture.

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