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JSchmitz 01-29-2020 08:08 AM

OBD2 Scanner
 
I've had a Harbor Freight scan tool for many years. It has served me very well. I use it for reading and resetting codes. Also for seeing if all emission tests have passed after a reset, etc. I'm looking for a tool with more advanced features. The Bluetooth adapter for iPhone looks attractive and inexpensive. But the reviews for the adapters is all over the place. I'll buy a handheld if that's the best route though. Whatcha know about this?

Chief of the 60's 01-29-2020 09:33 AM

I have used Actron units for years that have served me very well. No, they're no Snap-On, OTC, Oasis or any other unobtainable or $10,000.00 units but they do a good job at a very reasonable price.

Half-Inch Stud 01-29-2020 09:36 AM

No gots. Yet Advanced Auto will do a free scan, and you watch what C3PO does with his R2D2. AND learn. The fella had to go to the internets to decipher the generic Code:


loose gas cap. (really a cracking O-Ring in the Cap.

Sirrotica 01-29-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's (Post 6105057)
I have used Actron units for years that have served me very well. No, they're no Snap-On, OTC, Oasis or any other unobtainable or $10,000.00 units but they do a good job at a very reasonable price.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This.

I use an Actron too, nice features for the money spent. You can certainly spend more, but if the cheaper alternative gets you the same results, why spend more?..........:noidea:


I have an OTC early scanner for the early GM CCC systems that I paid $400 for back in the 80s. The Actron is a much better unit than the old OTC is. As with everything electronic, as time passes it gets better, and the price comes down.

I like the idea of having a dedicated unit just for doing detective work on an onboard ECM system. I probably wouldn't want to use my smartphone for this application. Probably not going to work as well as a dedicated unit would as far as running tests etc.

jerry455 01-29-2020 01:14 PM

Years ago I found a dealer tech who was retiring and was selling a Tech II. I bought it for I think $600 and used it quite a bit for years. I ended up buying a candi module later on for $500 but it was a very worthwhile purchase. They only work for GM vehicles as that is all I work on anyway. Sometimes you can find used equipment on craigslist or ebay.

dataway 01-29-2020 02:20 PM

I started using the "Blue Driver" phone based scanner a couple of years ago. Works nice, updates the data base frequently, lots of good tools. Has a blue tooth plug that goes in the OBD socket and connects to your phone. Has been very reliable.

JSchmitz 01-29-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dataway (Post 6105176)
I started using the "Blue Driver" phone based scanner a couple of years ago. Works nice, updates the data base frequently, lots of good tools. Has a blue tooth plug that goes in the OBD socket and connects to your phone. Has been very reliable.

That's one that I was considering. Good to hear that it's worked well for you.

mgarblik 01-29-2020 05:48 PM

Just bought my second Autell scan tool 2 months ago. My first one was a DS708 I bought from Harbor Freight believe it or not. It was right at $1000.00 with the 25% discount card you can get anywhere. It worked pretty good, but was slow. Used Microsoft CE tablet software which was pretty weak and slow. But it had good coverage and served my needs at the shop. But it was outdated only working up to 2014. My new one is a Autel DS 908, just the latest version. The big changes are it is much, much faster using android phone operating system. It will also auto-identify 90% of the VINS I have tried. It also does Tire pressure monitor re-programming, programming for key FOBS, ignition keys, ABS, air bag and lots more. The new one was $600.00 at www.Chinacardiag.com. Sold my old one for $200.00. So $400.00 got me an excellent and versatile tool.

mgarblik 01-29-2020 08:00 PM

I made a couple mistakes in the above post. The web site should be www.chinacardiags.com. Be sure to include the last "S". Also, the model scan tool I have is Autel DS 808 KIT. I see it includes 2020 models and is $739 now. Mine must have been the last of the 2019 models and was $599.00 free shipping. Sorry for the possible confusion.

Formulabruce 01-29-2020 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief of the 60's (Post 6105057)
I have used Actron units for years that have served me very well. No, they're no Snap-On, OTC, Oasis or any other unobtainable or $10,000.00 units but they do a good job at a very reasonable price.

I agree 100% on this My Actron I was able to update online even..

Dick Boneske 01-29-2020 11:44 PM

Go to Advance, Autozone, O'Reilly's & others and they'll scan via OBDII and tell you what the faults are. There is no cost and no obligation.

I have an OBDII scan tool, but find better, understandable results at my local parts store. Dealers are not so generous. They nearly always charge a fee to diagnose.

400 4spd. 01-29-2020 11:57 PM

I also have an Actron. No complaints.

chevymad 01-30-2020 12:01 AM

I've got a couple different cheap bluetooth elm327 scanners that work fine with my android phone using the torque app. However, If I was buying another one I'd get one of these from obdlink. They have a faster connection so you can log more data then the cheaper tools. https://www.amazon.com/stores/node/1...eb_10349295011

mgarblik 01-30-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Boneske (Post 6105326)
Go to Advance, Autozone, O'Reilly's & others and they'll scan via OBDII and tell you what the faults are. There is no cost and no obligation.

I have an OBDII scan tool, but find better, understandable results at my local parts store. Dealers are not so generous. They nearly always charge a fee to diagnose.

It is probably worth mentioning that although the parts stores will use a scan tool to retrieve codes and even provide you with a printout and definitions in some cases, their primary objective is to sell parts. That's why they provide the service. It's nice of them, sure, and a free service much like free battery replacement, and wiper blade installation. Remember, however, NO scan tool or trouble codes TELL YOU what is wrong with your car, period. The codes stored are simply a reference to an open, short, or out of expected range signal from thousands and thousands of signals going through a multiplex of dozens of modules in the vehicle. Yes it's true that many of the codes point to a particular part you can buy, replace and plug in and see what happens. The problem may be fixed, it may not if it's a circuit, wiring or processor issue. It's what we in the repair industry refer to as the "shotgun approach" to auto repair. Or we also call it the "RAP" method (replace all parts) Retrieve the code, replace all associated parts. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes it costs the vehicle owner thousands in unnecessary repairs. That's why a better scan tool like the OP was indicating he wanted is superior. You can record events in real time, map and graph thousands of inputs and outputs, perform functional output tests on all kinds of actuators and sensors. Actually diagnose and repair the problem.

Sirrotica 01-30-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6105439)
It is probably worth mentioning that although the parts stores will use a scan tool to retrieve codes and even provide you with a printout and definitions in some cases, their primary objective is to sell parts. That's why they provide the service. It's nice of them, sure, and a free service much like free battery replacement, and wiper blade installation. Remember, however, NO scan tool or trouble codes TELL YOU what is wrong with your car, period. The codes stored are simply a reference to an open, short, or out of expected range signal from thousands and thousands of signals going through a multiplex of dozens of modules in the vehicle. Yes it's true that many of the codes point to a particular part you can buy, replace and plug in and see what happens. The problem may be fixed, it may not if it's a circuit, wiring or processor issue. It's what we in the repair industry refer to as the "shotgun approach" to auto repair. Or we also call it the "RAP" method (replace all parts) Retrieve the code, replace all associated parts. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes it costs the vehicle owner thousands in unnecessary repairs. That's why a better scan tool like the OP was indicating he wanted is superior. You can record events in real time, map and graph thousands of inputs and outputs, perform functional output tests on all kinds of actuators and sensors. Actually diagnose and repair the problem.

As Mike alludes to replacing a defective part is in the best interest of the parts retailer, it may or may not repair the problem. There is a troubleshooting tree in most repair manuals that is to be used to find a problem that isn't just a sensor out of spec. This is what separates a technician, from a parts changer.

Parts changers usually don't own any diagnostic tools such as a VOM, and even if they do own one they can't use it.

When I was in the trade, I can't tell you how many cars I've had brought to me that had every part under the hood that could be changed was brand new, and the car still had the original problem that it started with and the car owners wallet was a whole bunch thinner...............:mad:

My father who was also in the trade most of his adult life called the parts changers, as opposed to real mechanics. Dad also said that in the future a good tech was going to get almost as much respect as a good doctor...........:D The jury is still out on that one..................LOL

Mechanic/techs have gained respect as time goes on, I don't believe they're as respected as doctors yet...............:confused:

Chief of the 60's 01-30-2020 11:57 AM

Yep to the last 2 posts. ^

PunchT37 01-30-2020 12:05 PM

Many of the codes read by the scanners at the parts house are generic codes. Not the oem codes. So, one can toss parts at it and not fix it.

65CatCoupe 01-30-2020 01:25 PM

I use a a harbor fright one too for scanning and resetting the fleet but on by commuter I also have an UltraGage on the dash at all times. Its pretty low tech but you can view the OBDII data plus some basic calculations real time while you're driving. When all is well I usually keep intake temp, trip MPG and o2 and a few others on display.

SRR 01-30-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6105439)
It is probably worth mentioning that although the parts stores will use a scan tool to retrieve codes and even provide you with a printout and definitions in some cases, their primary objective is to sell parts. That's why they provide the service. It's nice of them, sure, and a free service much like free battery replacement, and wiper blade installation. Remember, however, NO scan tool or trouble codes TELL YOU what is wrong with your car, period. The codes stored are simply a reference to an open, short, or out of expected range signal from thousands and thousands of signals going through a multiplex of dozens of modules in the vehicle. Yes it's true that many of the codes point to a particular part you can buy, replace and plug in and see what happens. The problem may be fixed, it may not if it's a circuit, wiring or processor issue. It's what we in the repair industry refer to as the "shotgun approach" to auto repair. Or we also call it the "RAP" method (replace all parts) Retrieve the code, replace all associated parts. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes it costs the vehicle owner thousands in unnecessary repairs. That's why a better scan tool like the OP was indicating he wanted is superior. You can record events in real time, map and graph thousands of inputs and outputs, perform functional output tests on all kinds of actuators and sensors. Actually diagnose and repair the problem.

Speaking of parts stores...Many times it will read the code and say "No solution found" or if it points to a certain part they buy and install it. Most times if it doesn't fix the problem they remove it and return it.:rolleyes: A lot of people just want to clear the code not realizing that it will just come back. I myself have a "Creader" scan tool I was given after I worked on car that was misdiagnosed saving them a lot of money. It works great although it may be becoming dated being a few years old.


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