67 GTO 400 4 speed tall block, value
 

Looking to get a ballpark figure on a 67 GTO tall block, was is a 4speed, non ac, non ps car. It has no intake but has everything else, pullies, exhaust manifolds, distributor, the guy is pulling a40k mile motor out to do a LS1 swap.. I

Thanks Tom

Block Stamped XS making it a 400 RA or HO

good luck ! XS can be a 69 350 also ..........

Wow. Is the engine original to the car? If so, buy the whole car and let him do an LS swap on something else. There should be plenty of nice 67 GTOs out there that need an engine.

Shame to modify a car like that.. .
XS is Ram Air.

Yeh
you and he BOTH should double check the code and casting dates on that "XS"

67 RamAir GTO is a Rarity
He wouldn't want to break that up if he has any amount of brain left at all.

Would also be a 4bolt main block
and have the Big Exhaust manifolds

It is a XS block, and no he wont sell the car...believe me I asked and asked...picking it up this weekend and will post more details next week

I may be selling it, to finish my 71GTO or do some horse trading...

What on Earth is a "tall block"?

tall block // long block
Long is the correct term

Maybe the 67 XS isnt original to that car.
Either way - if he wants to sell it - might as well buy it before someone else does.

Chevy had some tall block/tall deck 427 truck engines

With heads, valve train and possibly intake, as opposed to a short block being only the block with rotating assembly.

These v v v are correct.

Now, about those "big block Pontiac" engines.... :rolleyes:

If the XS is original to the car: car with XS engine intact=80-100k.
Car with XS missing and LS swapped= 20-40k.

The owner of the car is an idiot and a fool.

100k for a '67!?!? :rolleyes:

Could be yes.
XS in 67 is Ram Air 4 speed. Top dog GTO in 1967

I think my car would be valued even higher. It is what many would consider as the top dog for the 68 model year. RA II 4 speed convertible. Fairly rare and desirable so that is what usually pushes up the price on these things.

Why do you have to call the guy " an idiot and a fool"? He obviously likes the style of the car and wants it to drive like a modern car. It's HIS car! Like me, he is probably not into these cars for their potential values, he AND I, simply like the style of the cars. Like him, I'm done wasting my money and time trying to make a forty-year-old Pontiac engine perform like more modern LS engines. I mean, face it. Every part one can get for a Pontiac engine is stratospherically expensive or it is chinese junk. Aftermarket parts aren't reliable for daily driven cars and don't stand the test of time like the factory parts.

He may even have plans to preserve the original parts and return the car to original if/when he decides to sell it.

Because he "thinks" the car is worth 100 grand with the engine. Asinine and obviously watches too much TV.

Selling the original engine , doesn't sound like a preserving measure at all.
And I'm not throwing Pont3 into the grease about this,
just bringing the light into the overall picture.

67 RamAir cars are a highly desired commodity to upper echelon collectors.
They sold 596 RamAir 4 Speeds, and 156 Automatics (751 Total)
Tom Stutzman sold a frame-off restored 4 Speed Hardtop for $160,000 in 2016

Exact same car with an LS swap would be worth ... idunno, maybe 50-60k ?
I'm not into these cars for the money, but economics become a fundamental factor if you're dealing with a 6 figure car.

You might see 2 or 3 of these sell publicly every 10 Years, or so.
Very low survival / identified ratio
Hard to gauge their market value, and very hard to find at all.

If the XS engine in question is the original engine to the 67 GTO in question,
then i agree the owner is an idiot and a fool.
By 2020, i have to think he would be aware of that.

The engine probably isn't original to the car
And the car probably isn't an original RamAir car.
That's the only way it makes any kind of sense at all.


This would be akin to removing the original engine from a 73 SuperDuty Trans Am and selling the engine, to install an LS
A guy can do it, for sure
It's his car
but .... 99.99% would consider him a TOTAL Idiot

Selling a RamAir Engine that was upfitted after the fact into a garden variety GTO,
i doubt anyone would care at all. Or care about the LS conversion.
Other than knowing a PY member got the XS engine, which is Cool

It's a matter of common sense, that is getting more rare everyday.

Yes it is his car to do with what he wants to do. Is the move to separate a collectible classic rare car from the OEM engine smart? Probably not.

Is letting a collectible anything sit and decay until it has no value to anyone smart? Probably not, but it happens all the time.

"I'm gonna fix that car as soon as I get to it, and no, it's not for sale"......:pound:

In reality, the car is just going to sit and decay, and when he dies, the family will call a junkman, and it will get scrapped for the value of the weight of the metal at the time.............:noidea:

So I guess in the grand scheme of things, putting any engine in the car, and driving it is the lesser of all the evils. It's not an ideal conclusion for the situation, but it's not the worst case scenario of the car ending up as a chinese made widget if it's scrapped.

:focus:

Only seen one 67 XS around here. Been in storage since the late 80's.
If any others, haven't seen them at any cars shows or cruise in's since then.

If the car in question is a 40k mile Ram Air 4 speed then the owner is a fool to break it apart for an LS swap. I believe Mattison sold his 2 years ago for $160k so a complete car is worth some money. Enough to sell to a Pontiac collector and then buy 3 finished 67 GTOs with whatever powerplant he wants.

Yes it is his car but that doesnt mean he understands the heritage and significance of the vehicle.