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65 2+2 421 HO Auto
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I'm working on buying a 65 2+2 421 HO auto. Has the numbers matching motor. I would say at this time it's condition is a #3 car. What would a #2/1 car be worth? Would it take away from the value if I made it a 4 speed?
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What a great car and an extensive option list. Hope you get it !
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Hard to say. Steve Snyder sold a black with white guts 65 2+2 HO car that needed some work for $16,000 ish last year, done? 30k? I think the 4 speed may help actually, but make sure the trans stays with the car for the next guy? thinking out loud.
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I agree on the 4 speed. That’s the one thing that stands out, when you look inside. Nothing like driving a B body 4 speed!
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Here's a picture. Car will go back to factory stock.
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in my opinion that is the nicest year of all the 60s full size pontiacs. i have a 65 vert and i love it!! good luck in getting it! Fred
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Bitchin ride! Keep us posted
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Same color combo as one I restored way back in the 80's. Sure wish I had it back!
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I do not think that making it a stick will detract from the value
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I'm with those who feel 4 speed would actually add to the value.
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The one at Meccum did not sell,dont know where the bidding ended.Tom
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https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-31...tiac-catalina/
Says $27,500 for this 66. Looks like a nice one from the photos. Not sure if it is a real HO or not?? Great deal if it was IMO |
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Don't know if this comes thru but here is a chart I did last year of a Collector Car pricing listing for a 66 2+2 . Prices for a 65 are a couple hundred or so better.
1966 CATALINA 2+2 421 engine 4bbl- automatic CONDITION #5 #4 #3 #2 #1 CONDITION GUIDE DESCRIPTION VALUE Poor Fair Good Very good Excellent #5 POOR: In need of complete restoration, but is complete and not a rust bucket beyond repair. May or may not run. Not roadworthy. $1,825 $1,825 $6,900 $14,275 $22,700 $33,800 #4 FAIR: runs and drives OK but needs work throughout the vehicle. Body shows signs of wear or previous restoration work. Any rust should be minimal and not in any structural areas. Cosmetics, body, and mechanics all need work to some degree. $6,900 #3 GOOD: Presentable inside and out with some signs of wear. Not detailed but very clean. Body should be straight and solid with no apparent rust and absolutely no rust-through anywhere. Shiny, attractive paint but may have evidence of minor fading or checking or other imperfections. Runs and drives well. May need some minor mechanical or cosmetic work but is fully usable and enjoyable as is. $14,275 #2 VERY GOOD: An extremely presentable vehicle showing minimal wear, or a well restored vehicle. Runs and drives smooth and tight. Needs no mechanical or cosmetic work. All areas (chassis not required) have been fully detailed. Beautiful to look at but clearly below a #1 vehicle. $22,700 #1 EXCELLENT: A close to perfect original or a very well restored vehicle. Generally a body-off restoration, but a well done body-on restoration that has been extensively detailed may qualify. The vehicle is stunning to look at and any flaws are trivial and not readily apparent. Everything works as new. All equipment is original, NOS, or excellent quality reproductions. Note: cost no object concours restorations should be considered 1+ condition. $33,800 421-376hp (V8-3x2V) add 35.00% $639 $2,415 $4,996 $7,945 $11,830 4spd manual trans add 5.00% $91 $345 $714 $583 $1,690 Air conditioning add 10.00% $183 $690 $1,428 $1,165 $3,380 Power windows add 3.00% $55 $207 $428 $350 $1,014 8-lug wheels add 5.00% $91 $345 $714 $583 $1,690 manual steering deduct -5.00% -$91 -$345 -$714 -$583 -$1,690 TOTALS $2,792 $10,557 $21,841 $32,742 $51,714 CONDITION #5 #4 #3 #2 #1 |
Last year I agonized on a 66 HO 4spd car in fair condition. I sorta justified in my mind of offering $12K but just couldn't do it!
See if this is easier to understand.................................. Don't know if this comes thru but here is a chart I did last year of a Collector Car pricing listing for a 66 2+2 . Prices overall for a 65 are a couple hundred or so better. 1966 CATALINA 2+2 421 engine 4bbl- automatic CONDITION GUIDE Poor(#5), Fair (4), Good(#3) Very good (2) Excellent (1) #5 POOR: In need of complete restoration, but is complete and not a rust bucket beyond repair. May or may not run. Not roadworthy. $1,825 #4 FAIR: runs and drives OK but needs work throughout the vehicle. Body shows signs of wear or previous restoration work. Any rust should be minimal and not in any structural areas. Cosmetics, body, and mechanics all need work to some degree. $6,900 #3 GOOD: Presentable inside and out with some signs of wear. Not detailed but very clean. Body should be straight and solid with no apparent rust and absolutely no rust-through anywhere. Shiny, attractive paint but may have evidence of minor fading or checking or other imperfections. Runs and drives well. May need some minor mechanical or cosmetic work but is fully usable and enjoyable as is. $14,275 #2 VERY GOOD: An extremely presentable vehicle showing minimal wear, or a well restored vehicle. Runs and drives smooth and tight. Needs no mechanical or cosmetic work. All areas (chassis not required) have been fully detailed. Beautiful to look at but clearly below a #1 vehicle. $22,700 #1 EXCELLENT: A close to perfect original or a very well restored vehicle. Generally a body-off restoration, but a well done body-on restoration that has been extensively detailed may qualify. The vehicle is stunning to look at and any flaws are trivial and not readily apparent. Everything works as new. All equipment is original, NOS, or excellent quality reproductions. Note: cost no object concours restorations should be considered 1+ condition. $33,800 ADD ONS AND DEDUCTS: 421-376hp (V8-3x2V) add 35.00% $639(#5), $2,415(#4), $4,996(#3), $7,945(#2), $11,830(#1) 4spd manual trans add 5.00% $91(#5), $345(#4), $714(#3), $583(#2) $1,690(#1) Air conditioning add 10.00% $183(#5), $690(#4), $1,428(#3), $1,165(#2), $3,380(#1) Power windows add 3.00% $55(#5), $207(#4), $428(#3), $350(#2), $1,014(#1) 8-lug wheels add 5.00% $91(#5), $345(#4), $714(#3), $583(#2), $1,690(#1) manual steering deduct -5.00% -$91(#5), -$345(#4), -$714(#3), -$583(#2), -$1,690(#1) GRAND TOTALS WITH ADDS AND DEDUCTS: $2792(#5-POOR) $10557(#4-FAIR) $21841(#3-GOOD) $32742(#2-VERY GOOD) $51714(#1-EXCELLENT) It appears that changing to a 4spd increases the value less than what the cost of the change is. Also, the respective air-non air auto cars had numerically lower rear end ratios than the manuals did. Since the car doesn’t appear to have air, it is a 3.08 rear which might not be a good fit with a 4spd. A non air 4spd car would have a 3.23 standard. Keep us posted! |
Thanks for all the input. On the build sheet looks like the axel ratio was a VJ? not sure what gear ratio that is? Also, G83 SPL AX/ lock Dif.?
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65 is different than 66, but am guessing VJ is 4:11 gears, very cool!!!
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https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-31...tiac-catalina/
This 66 auto, with tripower just sold at Mecum in Kissimmee for around 25k. You can't tell much from the pictures, but it from the descriptions above it looks to be between a 2 and a 3. Sold very well then IMO. As for as converting an automatic to a 4 speed, a lot of us older folks are getting to where it's hard (if not impossible) to drive a manual shift car. I've been in the market for a reasonable priced 65-6 2+2 with an auto for a while now. They are not easy to find unless you want a project. I'm over projects! |
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