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Hi folks,

My daughter lives in the Boston area. She wants to buy a new Jeep Wrangler. She's particular though and wants a 2 door Willys version with a manual transmission. Well. There are none to be had anywhere. Sure, loads of 4 door automatics, but 2 door? with a stick? None on any lots in New England.

So, she's gone to two dealers and told them what she wants, and they print out the options, add it up and have some sort of "MSRP". They are not willing to haggle at all. Even she realizes that paying "list" price is maybe crazy. So I tell her over the phone that maybe they only "deal" in the trade in. (shes's got a low mileage Subaru Impreza). But they low ball her there too.

I haven't bought a new car since 2003. So my questions are:
Do dealers haggle anymore?
Do you really lose all bargaining when you "order" a car?
Does most "bargaining" or haggling occur with the trade in?
Any ideas on how to calmly just pay an average price for a new Jeep without paying list price?
Thanks for any tips!