[gto4door]

Check out this car on eBay. Is it a 4spd Luxury Lemans or a 4spd Lemans that someone added Luxury Lemans Trim?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-...QQcmdZViewItem

[The Boss]

GTO dash bezel too.

Somebody's been playing with it, looks good.

[UPC-WU2]

I thought Luxury LeMans had fender skirts? and interior door pull straps? But it does have LLM grille and trunklid trim, and side mouldings. But not the emblem on the sail panel.

[LuxLeMans]

This is a almagamation of LeMans types, hard to tell if LLM stuff was put on a regular LeMans, or vice versa? I would have to check out the VIN.

The grill and side trim, and trunk trim is Luxury LeMans. The rear wheelwells have chrome trim, NOT found on an LLM, due to the LLM's factory fender skirts.

Also, the dash has the GTO-style engined turned piece, NOT found on LLM- which is all woodgrain.

The car has GT-37 style stripes. I dont see any of the LLM insignia (found on fenders, C-pillar, and glovebox).

The interior looks almost right for an LLM , however my car DOES have door pulls, and I would assume those to be standard on LLM. Also, I don't think you could get a 'sport' style steering wheel with LLM. Mine is tri-spoke woodgrain & vinyl

[mike nixon]

are the stripes on this car installed on the wrong sides [upside down]? they're upside down compared to the ones on my gt37 and a gt that was in this area.

outside of that it looks like a decent piece.

mike

[Jack Peters]

'72 stripes were as this car if memory serves me right. If it is an original 4 speed car then the 350, 400 and 455HO were the only engines available as far as V8 goes. Standard 455 (D port) were all automatics beginning in '71 and continued that way through the end of the 455 era in the A body.

Formula steering wheel looks out of place on LLM. This is an early car as it has the 140 speedo and not the 120. No cid call outs and 12 bolt only came w/455 in A body.

Nice car but doubt its representation and hokey 400 on chrome lid which is incorrect (both).

[Wideone]

Let me muddy the water even more. In the mid 70's I looked at a 70/71/72?
"Luxury LeMans Sport" on a car lot in Johnson City TN. 400/4 speed power every thing, no fender skirts, no stipres. Yellow with a vinyl top, tan vinyl interior. Never saw another one or any reference to one. $2600 too rich for a part time job. The car in this post just reminded me of this as the are somewhat similar.

[BR57]

I once saw a 1973 Luxury Lemans with a 400 and 4 speed in the console. The VIN ID'd it as a LL and T for 400 engine. The 4 speed sure looked factory and unmolested but I wasn't about to crawl into the engine compartment to check the engine code. It had the door panel with door pull straps and power everything + air and the fender skirts too! Had Rally II's with whitewalls. An odd ball but we're talking about the days when you checked off boxes on an order form, almost anything was possible.

[Jack Peters]

Yes, not having to buy the 'package' or 'bundle' to get what you wanted. "Those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end..."

[UPC-WU2]

That car has the regular '72 LeMans D98 stripe option, available on any 2-door LeMans. The D98 stripe looks like a bundle of 9 tiny pinstripes and is placed above the body crease. The 1971 GT-37 and 1972 LeMans GT 'bayonnet' stripe is a wide solid stripe with one pinstripe and goes below the body crease.

[BR57]

I'm siding with a Luxury LeMans that's had a few tweaks. Fender skirts are easy to lose, so are name plates. Door panels can be changed and the formula wheel added. What's hard to get is that LL chromed front valance and LL tail lights. We might have all done this car differently but it is a 4 speed and claimed to be a 400. Lots of up side imo.

[gto4door]

I agree, I too think this car is a Luxury Lemans. It is easier to take off the skirts and LLM name plates rather than add on all the LLM side and trunk trim. No way to really know for sure until we can see some docs on the car. Anybody on this forum know how many '72 manual transmission Luxury Lemans were produced? Or how many '72 4spd 400 Luxury Lemans produced?

[pggto]

He stated it was a 350 atuo LLM converted to a 400 4spd in the Q&A section

[lethal-428-lemans]

the vin number is 2G37M2Z100800

[poncho-mike]

The sport wheel was used on the 72 Luxury Lemans.

In the mid-80s I bought a very ugly but well optioned 72 Luxury Lemans.

It was factory orange (with fender skirts), white vinyl top, white interior with black dash and carpet.

It had the following options:

Drivetrain options: 400-4V engine (T code) with a TH400, 3.23 posi, and rally II wheels, power steering and power disc brakes.

Interior options: bucket seat interior with console and floor shift, sport wheel, cruise control, tilt column, AM FM radio with cassette, in-dash gauges with tach, power windows and door locks, ultra rare electric seatback locks, power trunk release.

Body options: white vinyl top with fender skirts, front and rear bumper guards.

It had a bunch of options I can't remember. I ran PHS and the two columns were almost completely full.

The body was very solid, but there was no title with it. I dismantled it for the options and crushed the car.

Mike

[LuxLeMans]

Originally Posted by poncho-mike

ultra rare electric seatback locks,

Mike

Mike, what are these seatback locks?

I don't have PHS documents, so I've always wondered whether or not my Rallye II's were OEM or not, since every stock LLM I've seen has the LLM specific concentric-circle hubcaps. This car you mentioned gives some creedence to mine perhaps being original.

My car has 350 2bbl / 350TH, pdb, ps, ac, deluxe buckets interior with console, AM radio. Nothing wild, but makes for a great cruiser/daily driver.

[BR57]

[QUOTE=LuxLeMans]I don't have PHS documents, so I've always wondered whether or not my Rallye II's were OEM or not, since every stock LLM I've seen has the LLM specific concentric-circle hubcaps.
QUOTE]

My dad had one with Rally II's, you could get them just not really fitting with the profile of the typical LL buyer, but they did look really nice, real cool under those skirts as I recall.

Originally Posted by LuxLeMans

My car has 350 2bbl / 350TH, pdb, ps, ac, deluxe buckets interior with console, AM radio. Nothing wild, but makes for a great cruiser/daily driver.

I'm with you, you got the look, you got V8 sound, you got a reliable 35 year old cruiser, can it get any better....oh yea it's a Pontiac!

[UPC-WU2]

I thought that all '72 LeMans styles (without the Endura nose) got the chrome valance panel, not just the Luxury LeMans.

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by UPC-WU2

I thought that all '72 LeMans styles (without the Endura nose) got the chrome valance panel, not just the Luxury LeMans.

They did, & in the late Fall, amber parking light lenses phased in for Jan 1, 1972 federal requirements.

RallyII wheels were avail on '72 Lux LeMans. Have parted several dozen '72 Lux LeMans & currently have two as partscars that I've sold the original 14x6 KT coded rally II's off of. While most had hubcaps, some were ordered with 14" rallys & even 14x7 honeycombs.

Oddest '72 Lux LeMans I've ever run across were a non a/c 3spd on the tree 2 door hardtop in a MN yard, & two 455 D-ports I parted from TX and OK. The 3 on tree LuxLeMans was only the 2nd I've run across w/o a/c, most had a/c.

BTW, I also e-mailed the e-Bay seller & the car in question came back as a very early '72 Lux LeMans out of Fremont plant with M as the engine designator. That makes the car a 350 single exhaust car. Most possibly a turbo 350 car converted to 4 spd, as drivetrain & appearance has def been altered quite a bit.

For giggles, has anyone ever run across an original '72 Lux LeMans with 350 & a 4spd Saginaw?

[UPC-WU2]

There's a '72 LLM in a yard near me. Has/had hubcaps, 350-2bbl/auto and A/C. Pretty standard stuff. Actually I never looked close at the motor after I saw the Dual-jet. Is it possible it is a 400?