[Bill Eveland]

Due to speedmaster copying and counterfeiting parts . Wonder how far this will fall down the line.

Speedmaster heads may not be around to long who knows.

Video of the copied parts

https://youtu.be/9dsHrSq8pso?si=NSwq7y0Zg7PJuWGD

[Dragncar]

Wow, maybe it does not pay to cheat !

[Formulas]

Summit stepping up! Good to see!

[steve25]

I can understand why!

While it’s good that they did such it would be far easier since there based here to be sued then a company in China.

[mgarblik]

I am very impressed and surprised by the proactive approach taken by Summit racing. They could have gone a completely different direction, buried their head in the sand, and played the "we are just a vendor, not a manufacturer" card. But they didn't. They took responsibility for not keeping their eye on the ball and they are doing something about it. In the long run, they will gain much more business than they will lose by not selling garbage counterfeit parts. Speedmaster junk in the marketplace doesn't help anyone.

[Jay S]

Good too see some integrity from Summit. I hope other company’s follow and SM loose’s a bunch of business and has too fight lawsuits for the many things they have stole. I know some like their E head SM copies, but this world would be a better place with out SM.

[MidnightAuto]

very disappointing to see this. Don't be seduced by the low price of China. Good job Summit buyers to shut this down quickly.

[Jim Zeek]

is that the same speedmaster that makes heads?

[Jay S]

This really isn’t about other copying that goes on in China, or here, or anywhere else. Speedmaster, a company with facilities in the US, Australia, and happens to have manufacturing done also in China, copied a small shops valve body, left that companies name on the part. Didn’t a very good job manufacturing it (like most stuff they do) and then they sold it as their own product for major retailer’s to resell.

There seems to be a bit of a disconnect about the connection between copying parts, and what Speedmaster did on this. Imagine developing a product, someone buy’s it and copies it, then they do a shotty job reproducing it, and resell it with your name still on it. Maybe you would rather just have someone break into your garage, steal some parts and buy it back on eBay? I run a company that sells equipment, and have a number of patents, I actually would rather deal with someone stealing something out of my shop versus what they did.

Speedmaster has done a bunch of unscrupulous things in the effort to expand their company and for better name recognition. This boils down to very bad management and business practices at SM. Lots of Chinese parts you don’t have much choice in buying or using. But with SM product’s, which are almost all just copies with no R&D put into improving them, you do have a choice.

[Bill Eveland]

Yes Speedmaster, Pro comp all the same company I believe throughout the years

[nas t eh]

Well, I think Summit is just protecting their butt, after getting caught or rather called out by the original manufacturer. They must have known from the beginning that part was stolen or copied.

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by nas t eh

Well, I think Summit is just protecting their butt, after getting caught or rather called out by the original manufacturer. They must have known from the beginning that part was stolen or copied.

No disrespect to you or even Summit but I think you give them too much credit. Speedmaster has over 1700 parts in the Summit Racing catalog. Summit Racing has 1500 different vendors in their system. We are talking about MILLIONS of different parts. If you have ever spoken to a Summit "tech expert", they are lucky to know what a 1/4"-20 bolt is or a freeze plug. I don't think there is any way they knew that obscure C-4 Ford trans brake was counterfeit or even what a trans brake is or who Broader Enterprises was. They sure as hell do now! They should know however, that all the Speedmaster stuff they sell is crap by the number of returns they are getting back however. Speedmaster sells allot of big, expensive, product on the Summit site as well. Heads, blocks, assembled short blocks, some part numbers are close to 3K each and eat up shelf space. To stop selling all that garbage was a big move for them IMO.

[Jay S]

I bought something from Speedway motors yesterday and couldn’t find any Speedmaster products on their site anymore either.

I bet some folks over at SEMA are feeling pretty stupid about the awards they gave Speedmaster.

[Jay S]

Here is the Blower shops troubles with SM. I recalled wrong, it wasn’t the drive with the name on it, it was the blower. SM made it, and has the TBS logo right on there.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I read through quite a lot of the comments on Broader's YouTube video.

Summit commented at least 5 or 6 times.
They really are grabbing it by the horns and not hiding in the shadows.
Dropping the whole product line will decrease their own revenue as well. (along with aiding in any legal issues forthcoming)

.SpeedMaster79 even commented
We at Speedmaster are aware of the concerns raised in this video and are taking them very seriously. We are conducting a thorough investigation. We do not condone counterfeit products. We appreciate the community's vigilance and ask for your patience as we resolve this matter. For any concerns, please contact us directly.

One transmission guy claims to have bought several of the valve bodies from Summit in the past and none he received had the Broader logo or artwork on them.
Seems they have been available for a while and the Broader logo is a very new issue on them.

They don't use the Broader name in their listings and their pictures don't show any logo.
But the engraved logo is more complex than a Blower Shop sticker.

This is really way out there

[mgarblik]

If Speedmaster/China would have spent less time copying the engraved name and a little more time making a part that actually worked, none of this would have likely come to light. Every part they market is a poor knock-off of a proven design engineered and tested by another company, mostly in the USA. They make a "facsimile" of that part and market it at 70-75% of the cost of the real part. That's the business model. Until they stole the guys name, it worked well for them. When my student's buy Speedmaster parts, 95% of them need some attention before they will fit or function. 50% need extensive modification to work. About 30% have to be returned.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

We all know SpeedMaster is the Copy King
And that isn't too far from counterfeiting in most ways other than branding for full effect.

I think this was espionage or sabotage
Its too stupid and too extreme

They weren't promoting them as Broader edition SpdMstr items
And others have been sold w/o logo or artwork
Probably how the logo units slipped by Summit - if they were just in a new shipment of an existing offering.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Jay S

Here is the Blower shops troubles with SM. I recalled wrong, it wasn’t the drive with the name on it, it was the blower. SM made it, and has the TBS logo right on there.

Interesting I wonder why no one was "enraged" when this happened. I guess they should have went to You Tube .

Thanks for posting.

[nas t eh]

If they were overwhelmed by the volume of products, I guess maybe they didn’t know but … once they found out I’m sure their legal council told them they didn’t have much choice.

[Shiny]

Yes, my cynical self aligns.

Business decisions!

It can be "good business" to sell crap, even if the return rate is high... as long as the supplier reimburses you, no harm done. And since no single customer knows the return rate is 10%, the other customers keep buying.

But a lawsuit is a more compelling risk!