[darryldayton]

Back in about 1977-78 a buddy and I purchased and resold the car in the title. it was blue. We knew at the time the car had to be somewhat rare due to the combination. I was later told they only made 17. Is this correct? I saw on sell in about 2004 at B-J for $400K

[north]

There is no such thing as a RAIV 455

[darryldayton]

Originally Posted by north

There is no such thing as a RAIV 455

I see conflicting info on this on the net. It has been over 40 years since I owned the car and it was only for a short time but that is what I recall having.

[PurelyGTO68]

Originally Posted by darryldayton

I see conflicting info on this on the net. It has been over 40 years since I owned the car and it was only for a short time but that is what I recall having.

All RA IV engines are 400 cubic inch.


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[johnta1]

Corrected...

Thanks!
I should have proofread my reply.

[johnta1]

I was later told they only made 17. Is this correct?

In 1970 there were 17 455 Judges made. 3 were convertible.
But all were automatics.



In 1971 there were 17 convertible Judges made (with 455 HO's), and 3 of them were convertibles.



Now if you have the VIN and hopefully pics of this car it may help?

[68bird400HO]

Originally Posted by johnta1

In 1971 there were 17 convertible Judges made (with 455 HO's), and 3 of them were 4 speeds.

Corrected...

[Held for Ransom]

Originally Posted by north

There is no such thing as a RAIV 455

There was a movie car that was similar...

[johnta1]

Hmmm....

Mach IV with the tunnel port heads.
On a 455 I guess.



Didn't someone on PY own one of the Judges in Two Lane Black Top movie?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Yep
2 Lane movie was a real RamIV Automatic OO Judge
We have the Invoice and Buildsheet for that car on file.

Don't know who owns it now

[orejudge]

Do you have copies for both Judges in the movie?

[bruwster]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Yep
2 Lane movie was a real RamIV Automatic OO Judge
We have the Invoice and Buildsheet for that car on file.

Don't know who owns it now

Still resides in Alaska

[1969 Ram Air]

There were 17 1971 Judge convertibles built. Maybe you have the year wrong? They were 455 cars.

[north]

There is no conflicting facts though, a 70 Judge came with a 366 horse 400 as standard equipment (known as Ram Air or Ram Air III (D port heads, High output exhaust manifolds). Optional was a 370 horse 400 Ram Air IV (roundport heads, aluminum intake ) and a rare midyear option was the 360 horse 455, known as the 455 HO (basically the regular 455 from a Grand Prix, with D port heads and the standard "log" manifolds.

[north]

Maybe you are thinking of a 71 Judge convertible, only 17 made and the standard equipment engine was the 335 horse 455 HO which in 71 was low compression but used round ports heads and an aluminum intake similar to the 1970 RA IV 400.

[darryldayton]

Originally Posted by north

Maybe you are thinking of a 71 Judge convertible, only 17 made and the standard equipment engine was the 335 horse 455 HO which in 71 was low compression but used round ports heads and an aluminum intake similar to the 1970 RA IV 400.

Well, as I said it has been It has been 40 years. I really thought that the car WAS a 1971 but my old partner remembers it as a 1970. We sold the car to a Chicagoland Pontiac dealer. I am sure it was a 4 speed with console and 455 ram air IV. No pictures, we did not have it long enough to get any and I have no idea of the V.I.N. Possibly with the info of the Pontiac dealer (don't know his name) that bought it and the few that were built maybe someone can determine where the car is now and what it really was.

[Pepper Judge]

Originally Posted by darryldayton

No pictures, we did not have it long enough to get any and I have no idea of the V.I.N. Possibly with the info of the Pontiac dealer (don't know his name) that bought it and the few that were built maybe someone can determine where the car is now and what it really was.

We can get vehicle and driver history from the MTO here in Ontario.

Go to the DMV and get a history of vehicles previously registered in your name or your company and you will identify the VIN. You should also be able to run the licence plate to get a VIN if you still have record of it.

Good luck; it would be interesting to get the details of the car.

[1969 Ram Air]

darryl wrote: I am sure it was a 4 speed with console and 455 ram air IV.

I am SURE it wasn't.

[Ram4king]

A lot of people back in the day used to call the 71 a 455 ram air iv due to it having round port heads from the ram iv.
Just saying just like they called the ram 3 a ho car. Just street slang

[PurelyGTO68]

Originally Posted by Ram4king

A lot of people back in the day used to call the 71 a 455 ram air iv due to it having round port heads from the ram iv.
Just saying just like they called the ram 3 a ho car. Just street slang

That is pretty interesting. I don't think I ever met anyone who confused the RA IV with a 455 engine. In our area, they were always viewed as very different things.

The 400 H.O. to RA III connection is much easier to make. Same displacement, same block, nearly identical cylinder heads, same exhaust manifolds etc. Even the H.O. manual camshaft is identical to the one used in the RA III autos, so one could be excused for grouping those two engines together.

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