2004 GTO Sighting

[GTOMazz]

I just came back from taking my car to the resto shop and spotted this GTO in Allentown. Nice of them to leave it out in the snow!!!! I guess they don't think much of this car either, they left the Grand Am in the show room. The price tag was $33,190.

You will never hear me say " I should have never sold that car"

[Mr_GTO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brad B. Hilleband:
New GTO = POS.

They won't sell because they have nothing to offer: Lame engine, looks and a high price tag.

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Then there are moronic statements by members here.



Red is STOCK, Blue is just an aftermarket intake air cleaner assembly. Lame engine? When you find a clue Bradley, let us all know.

[ChiefIronHorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> New GTO = POS.
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Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one. It's just that some of them are starting to stink up the place... right brad.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> They won't sell because they have nothing to offer: Lame engine, looks and a high price tag.
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Okay brad, tell me a vehicle that has 350 Horse Power, 365 pounds of torque, LS1 engine with high quality interior priced under $34,000? Lame engine really shows your true color. You don't know too much about the LS1.. do you brad? Second of all who says there not selling? Just because dealerships have them in their show rooms doesn't mean their not selling. GOD some people are morons!

[QUOTE] ]"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise" [/QUOTE

Thank GOD! But in all fairness I did ask you a question so I'll allow you to answer it. After that..... SSHHHHHH!!!

[GTOMazz]

Sticker

You will never hear me say " I should have never sold that car"

[The Champ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brad B. Hilleband:
That's a very simple answer.

Originality and out of the box design and thinking.

This means NOT taking same old production stampings, adding a new interior a slapping a name plate on it and attempting to pass it off as something "new", "reto" or "muscle of yesterday".

We have many good examples of this type of thinking today from Chrysler. Cars like the Crossfire, Viper, Prowler and PT cruiser are all original designs and make a statement. One drives by and your head turns. That's the design I'm talking about.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm mainly focusing in on your praise of the PT Cruiser.

Have you driven one of these? Do you know what they really are?

I have had the misfortune of putting 1,000's of miles on one.

It is a Dodge Neon with a different body. It gets horrible gas mileage and is grossly underpowered. The interior layout is chintzy, and uncomfortable.

Yes, some people look at them and think they are "cute", but how "out of box" is just putting a different and heavier body on the cheapest car a manufacturer makes, and as a result have a much worse performing vehicle?

Is the styling of the new GTO exactly what I'd like?

No.

But at least it is a car that is true to it's heritage in being a V-8 RWD performance car.

I'm sure the styling will have some tweaks made to it, and we're already hearing of the 400 HP option for next year.

I'm looking forward to driving one when my area dealer gets his 6 speed car in.



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[disc0monkey]

please dont call it a goat

[disc0monkey]

iron horse thinks he is a big tough hd guy...hahahahahahaha ooo im scared ahahahah

[disc0monkey]

i dont think people are judging the new gto badly because its made overseas...even people who dont know that says it looks like nothing special. IT IS NOTHING SPECIAL...EVERONE WAS LOOKING FOR A HEAD TURNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HUMBLER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ctgross:
That's the first picture I've seen that I really like!

That carpet is really cool

Didn't know they shipped any to Iraq.

CT Gross
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"the Humbler...the Humbler...G...T...O!"

[disc0monkey]

but i would take the gt40 then the 05 stang

[Brad B. Hillebrand]

New GTO = POS.

They won't sell because they have nothing to offer: Lame engine, looks and a high price tag.

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

[Brad B. Hillebrand]

I don't happen to think th PT is a great car by any means. BUT, what I'm saying is the design was fresh and original and a lot of investment went into that car. It stood out and that's what I would expect GM designers would have done for the new "GTO"

"But at least it is a car that is true to it's heritage in being a V-8 RWD performance car"

The key word to this comment is "at least", this means that the car dosen't meet expectations right? That what I say as well but the engine dosen't do it justice or override it's lack of style. In my opinion, not true to its great heritage....

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

[ChiefIronHorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sorry oh' great chief Iron Horse, I should have assumed you were a biker. HD's are made overseas as far as I know, I try my best not to buy stuff from overseas (now that's american), and are ricer bikes in my opinion
Sorry, but dressing up in leather on a hot summer day and riding around at 70 without head protection explains my point about education and swearing
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Who says I'm a biker. I could be a dentist or doctor or in Law Enforcement for all you know. So just because somebody wears glasses, you call them a nerd? Stop being so judgemental. As far as your comments about the HD, re-read Mr. Champs post. (Thanks for the time saver Mr. Champ )

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't really care if you are a Harley guy are not, by the way I hate the sound of those things, way to loud and un-tuned sounding. Like a big piece of crap... No wonder every other bike can smoke it. Then again I'm sure you know a lot about smoke now don't you.
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Ummmm Harley-Davidson's aren't about speed. They're about style. If I wanted speed then I'd sell my Harley-Davidson and buy me 4 or 5 rice burners. But of course I wouldn't expect you to know anything about style!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Back to the subject and enough with the insults please.....
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Fair enough.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bottom line is that the new "GTO" is a gimick, and designed to capture the ricer market. It has no style or power to speak of, unlike the orginal GTO as compared to that time in history. No thing special and the sales figures will show that fact about 6-12 months after it's release date. If they were smart limited production would be a good idea to milk out interest, otherwise, run it into a tree and bury it...that's where it belongs....

Brad
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Bottom line is that the new GTO is Pontiac's way of bringing a true muscle car back on the streets. I ask you brad, are you a fortune teller? How do you know that the GTO's won't sell 6 - 12 months from now? Where are you getting this information? I would really like to see if for myself. Or is this an educated opinion of yours? One more question... have you ever driven a 2004 GTO? Or are you basing your opinion on a vehicle that you've never seen or driven before? Just curious.

[disc0monkey]

dont judge

[GTOMazz]

I just came back from taking my car to the resto shop and spotted this GTO in Allentown. Nice of them to leave it out in the snow!!!! I guess they don't think much of this car either, they left the Grand Am in the show room. The price tag was $33,190.

You will never hear me say " I should have never sold that car"

[Brad B. Hillebrand]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brad B. Hilleband:
I don't happen to think th PT is a great car by any means. BUT, what I'm saying is the design was fresh and original and a lot of investment went into that car. It stood out and that's what I would expect GM designers would have done for the new "GTO"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So if a lot of investment went into producing a new GTO that was uniquely styled but was grossly underpowered, had a poorly executed interior, provided a terrible ride, and got terrible gas mileage, you'd buy one?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"But at least it is a car that is true to it's heritage in being a V-8 RWD performance car"

The key word to this comment is "at least", this means that the car dosen't meet expectations right? That what I say as well but the engine dosen't do it justice or override it's lack of style. In my opinion, not true to its great heritage....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand by my quote that you used.

I never said the car was the sexiest looking car out there, but my '64 isn't either. They both are typical of the styling of their era's.

I can live with that.

You claim the engine doesn't do it justice.

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but how many cars can actually beat it on the strip right off the showroom floor?

Not too many.

And yes, I know there are a few out there, and some of them are hi-tech 4 bangers. But try putting that hi-tech 4 banger into a car the same size as the GTO and see what happens.

I don't want to drive a 4 cylinder whizbang machine. Those that do, please go buy them and enjoy them.

I happen to like the sound and torque of a V-8 motor.

Maybe I'm a dinosaur...

I still am very interested in driving the 2004.

And even more interested in the 6 liter 400HP 2005.

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Wow, this one is long!!
Champ, the point is that IF GM put the time and investment into the new "GTO" it wouldn't be anything near what it is now. It would respresent the name plate well, new style and lots of power.

The 2004 "GTO" is just a way for GM to compete with the ricer market, S2000's, Acura's, Preludes etc... that are so popular today.

The car has no history, was not designed with history in mind and should not carry the GTO name plate. It's a discrace to the real cars that stood for something.

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

[The Champ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brad B. Hilleband:
I don't happen to think th PT is a great car by any means. BUT, what I'm saying is the design was fresh and original and a lot of investment went into that car. It stood out and that's what I would expect GM designers would have done for the new "GTO"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So if a lot of investment went into producing a new GTO that was uniquely styled but was grossly underpowered, had a poorly executed interior, provided a terrible ride, and got terrible gas mileage, you'd buy one?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"But at least it is a car that is true to it's heritage in being a V-8 RWD performance car"

The key word to this comment is "at least", this means that the car dosen't meet expectations right? That what I say as well but the engine dosen't do it justice or override it's lack of style. In my opinion, not true to its great heritage....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand by my quote that you used.

I never said the car was the sexiest looking car out there, but my '64 isn't either. They both are typical of the styling of their era's.

I can live with that.

You claim the engine doesn't do it justice.

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but how many cars can actually beat it on the strip right off the showroom floor?

Not too many.

And yes, I know there are a few out there, and some of them are hi-tech 4 bangers. But try putting that hi-tech 4 banger into a car the same size as the GTO and see what happens.

I don't want to drive a 4 cylinder whizbang machine. Those that do, please go buy them and enjoy them.

I happen to like the sound and torque of a V-8 motor.

Maybe I'm a dinosaur...

I still am very interested in driving the 2004.

And even more interested in the 6 liter 400HP 2005.



My '64 GTO Convertible Webpage

The '49 Caddy Limo Page

The '72 Camaro Page

[disc0monkey]

where is DeLorean when u need him

[Brad B. Hillebrand]

Well, here we go again. Champ, this is an opinion board, get it? We make opinions. What's so great about scanning a HD brochure showing plants that are supposed to be in the U.S, never said they didn't have any in the U.S now did I

What makes your posts so great Champ, opinion just like mine, right Champ?

If you like the new "GTO" go buy one and stop all the speculation. Put your hard earned dollars in to a waste basket and burn it, it's the same thing. The new "GTO" is is pile, and C&R just made the same point. Fast production cycle, uncomfortable and lack of design. Gee, how many times have I heard that

Seems at least C&R and some other major analysts agree.

Do all us negative guys a favor, go buy one and let us know how great it is?


Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

[disc0monkey]

hahaha mr.ironhorse u think the new gto sounds like the old school 400s? i was there when they pulled it into the showroom it sounds like a louder, lightly deeper t/a, i think it has a little more of that backpressure noise that we hear in GT Mustangs.