[wd45gto]

I read they didnt sell them untill oct 63.
So who else has a 64 gto built in sept.
My coupe was built sept. 3rd week.

[CanAm1977]

Mine made 2nd week Jan '64 ....delvrd to dealer Feb 13 '64

29k original miles ...most casting dates on engine are from nov & dec '63

[Juliano]

Probably the (Delorean Red one) built for himself.....

[wd45gto]

no,
but it is white with a aqua interior.
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wish i had the extra $50 to get PHS

[John V.]

3rd week Sept. is very early. The Dealers were allowed to begin selling the '64 Models on or about Oct. 1, 1963. That is the date Pontiac officially announced the GTO, but they had already been in the pipeline with the rest of the '64 Models.

Pilot production most likely was taking place throughout Aug.

Regular production began the day after Labor Day, Sept. 3, 1963 and regular production GTOs were already being produced that week. Pontiac produced a whole string of them identified as "Zone Announcement" cars that were intended for such activities within each Zone as being given to the press for test drives to generate publicity.

Only the Convertible & Sports Coupe were available at the start. The Lemans 2 Dr. Hardtop Coupe was not released until a month or 2 later, production of them (including those with the GTO option) beginning shortly after the new Body Style was announced, I believe the earliest Lemans Hardtops were produced mid or late Nov.

My Fremont 'vert has a Time Built code of 11D. I have documented a Fremont 11C 'vert, haven't seen one earlier from Fremont.

Aside from colors, how else was yours equipped?

Was your GTO built at the Pontiac Plant or one of the satellite Plants?

[wd45gto]

it was built in pontiac
without the PHS,not really sure but the trim tag says
1W tinted windsheild
2P radio
2R rear speaker
5N gto
5W deluxe retractable front seat belts

[Tom Vaught]

I own 2 64s and both have 2P and both have back-up lights.

Tom V.

[John V.]

gtojon, you definitely won't have any 5 Group coding on your Fremont Data Plate, they didn't use that code system.

They coded UPCs instead. The B/U Lamps were UPC T86 but I don't believe Fremont ever coded this option on the Data Plate.

I own a Fremont GTO Pinehurst Green Convertible, 11D (date produced 11/20/63). I have documented an 11C GTO Aquamarine Convertible (date produced 11/18/63).

My Data Plate has no Accessory codes, the 11C only codes the B70 (Instrument Panel Pad). It also was highly optioned, including A/C, Auto Trans, PB.

Like mine, it was equipped with the P30 White Wall Tire Override. Wondering if your GTO got the White Walls also or Red Lines?

Yours would be the earliest Fremont GTO I have come across.

What is the Date Produced on the PHS? What Body No.?

[Old Blue 66]

Someone I know has a copy of the build sheet that he got from John Sawruk some time ago. Ill try and track it down.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Old Blue 66

Someone I know has a copy of the build sheet that he got from John Sawruk some time ago. Ill try and track it down.

For which car, Paul?

The reason I ask is because the John's obituary in the "Tracker" (our chapter newsletter) said that he had the build sheet for the very first GTO...but we can't seem to find a copy of it.

K

[John V.]

A copy of a Manifest for one of the Zone Announcement cars was published in The Legend, late in '05 (October issue, IIRC).

I do not believe that it represents the very first '64 GTO produced. The Prod. Date is shown as 9/11/63 for that one.

Unless PHS claims otherwise, I do NOT believe this was the very first production Lemans with GTO option assembled at the Pontiac Plant.

I believe because it is identified as a Z.A. car, it was considered "significant". IIRC, a copy of an article from the Dallas paper of a test report of one of the Z.A. GTOs was also included in that article. This is the car I alluded to in my first post here.

I suspect this Manifest may be the one attributed to Sawruk, although I think Mattison was given credit for supplying the copy from the microfiche records.

If there is a record of an earlier GTO, I would welcome the opportunity to see a copy!

[Old Blue 66]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

For which car, Paul?

The reason I ask is because the John's obituary in the "Tracker" (our chapter newsletter) said that he had the build sheet for the very first GTO...but we can't seem to find a copy of it.

K

HA!! I cant remember who has this now!!!! This is gonna bug me for days.

I may find out more this Saturday. Ill see a bunch of the guys then.

[Old Blue 66]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

For which car, Paul?

The reason I ask is because the John's obituary in the "Tracker" (our chapter newsletter) said that he had the build sheet for the very first GTO...but we can't seem to find a copy of it.

K

Pics of it anyway. It was the one that John had on display at the 04 Nats. I'm waiting on an email containing the pics. Once I get them, Ill post.

[gtojon]

Originally Posted by John V.

gtojon, you definitely won't have any 5 Group coding on your Fremont Data Plate, they didn't use that code system.

They coded UPCs instead. The B/U Lamps were UPC T86 but I don't believe Fremont ever coded this option on the Data Plate.

I own a Fremont GTO Pinehurst Green Convertible, 11D (date produced 11/20/63). I have documented an 11C GTO Aquamarine Convertible (date produced 11/18/63).

My Data Plate has no Accessory codes, the 11C only codes the B70 (Instrument Panel Pad). It also was highly optioned, including A/C, Auto Trans, PB.

Like mine, it was equipped with the P30 White Wall Tire Override. Wondering if your GTO got the White Walls also or Red Lines?

Yours would be the earliest Fremont GTO I have come across.

What is the Date Produced on the PHS? What Body No.?

JohnV-

Finally dug out my old PHS paperwork
The date produced on my sheet is 11/11/63, and the Body No. was a crossed a out 368, making it 366 handwritten. The tires were whitewall 75014W2R. I never knew P30 was white wall tire override, my sheet definitely has that on it. I could not figure what OVR stood for. Do you know when Fremont began production on the '64 GTO?

[John V.]

Mike, you are correct about the Service Replacement Fenders, one part no. serviced all, whether 6 cyl, 326, or GTO389, Tempest, Tempest Custom, or Lemans (with or without GTO option). The expectation was that for SR, emblem & molding holes could be field drilled as needed.

However, I do not think this was done with templates in Production. I can't be positive either, but I believe there would have been specific p/ns for each unique application and the appropriate emblem holes punched by specific die in the press. Just guessing that drilling them by hand and template would have been way too slow and the holes a lot less clean and too much chance to be "off".

Gtojon, cool. BF 366, did that match to the Data Plate? The earliest Fremont GTO (also convertible) that I have recorded was BF 426 (F005401, 11C). I collected that document because it was built just a few days before mine (also convertible, BF 450, 11D),

Your 11B is the earliest I have made note of.

However, I have always believed that mine was not especially early and that Fremont would have been building the GTO same as at Pontiac, as early as September. I had believed that for many years, long before PHS uncovered the doc. for the Sept 11 built Zone Announcement GTO. So far, have not stumbled over such an early one from Fremont, but I really haven't tried very hard to find them either.

I actually came across a PHS doc (Keith Seymore will remember this one) for a Fremont GTO Sports Coupe that was built about 1 day before my car. The PHS was altered to show the Kansas City VIN that was on the car and the Data Plate was a fake/repro. But the doc was for a real GTO built at Fremont. We were unable to learn the original Fremont VIN to match that doc, but it should have been around F005500 (BF 1748 to give an idea that Fremont was producing Lemans Sports Coupes at a ratio of about 4:1 vs. Lemans Convertibles).

For now, I will say you have the earliest Fremont GTO that has come to my attention.

But they had produced 365 Lemans converts and roughly 1600 Lemans Sports Coupes prior to when yours was produced. I just have a hard time believing that a large number of them would not have been GTOs.

The P30 option and 75014W2R Tire Code (I believe translates as 7.50x14 Whitewall, 2 ply Rayon) confirm the Whitewalls. Red lines would not show the P30 option and the Tire Code would read 75014RSW (7.50x14 Red Side Wall) on the Fremont docs. Interesting that the early Fremont GTO docs I've seen all show the P30. I wonder if Fremont did not have the Red Lines available early year or is it just coincidence that I haven't seen an early Fremont doc with the Red Lines yet?

[John V.]

Chrisp is doing a yeoman's job to flesh out the story behind the GTO Flamme.

I will start a new thread for those that want to learn more about it.

[oldtimer]

vin 2237-824p-134614
del date 2-20-64
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http://ultimategto.com/cgi-bin/showc...964/64_00161_1
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[MH 1964]

Anyone have any new info to add??????

[valkyrie9901]

824Fo19043........JB.

[MH 1964]

Mine was built at Pontiac on 10-11-63 it is a post car body number 2317, not many options according to PHS. GTO, radio, underhood lamp,dual speed wipers, tach, back-up lights, power brakes, seat belt front, posi, 3:90 gears, Transistor ignition, 4-speed. THANKS!