[David Jones]

Originally Posted by 68gtoMN

I won't purchase again from Government Motors, however.

X2.

I think what we are seeing here is, ALL the manufacturers can tailor a drive-train to make the EPA regulations happy. Real world? Not very likely.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by David Jones

X2.

I think what we are seeing here is, ALL the manufacturers can tailor a drive-train to make the EPA regulations happy. Real world? Not very likely.

while that's somewhat true, my GM 6.2 gets as good or better mileage than any of my 5.3's did.

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by big hammer

my GM 6.2 gets as good or better mileage than any of my 5.3's did.

Why is that?

And how much is that?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by David Jones

Why is that?

And how much is that?

i attribute it to way more low end torque? the engine is just never working hard.

it commonly gets 21-23 mpg (imperial)

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by big hammer

i attribute it to way more low end torque? the engine is just never working hard.

it commonly gets 21-23 mpg (imperial)

Same gearing? 2wd? 4wd? Comparing apples to apples? So your 6.2 gets approx 17.5mpg regularly? Freeway or around town?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by David Jones

Same gearing? 2wd? 4wd? Comparing apples to apples? So your 6.2 gets approx 17.5mpg regularly? Freeway or around town?

i had a 2004 reg cab short box 5.3 4x4. it would get a best of 20 mpg. (highway)

then a 2009 5.3 crew cab 4x4 with 3:42's and it would usually be in that 19-21 range.


traded that on a 2011 6.2 CC 4x4 with the max trailering package (3:73's) and in comparable conditions to the others it most often pulls 21-23. it takes some kind of conditions like heavy winds or rain to take it under 20. and power that makes the 5.3 feel like an anemic turd.

i would reset the fuel indicator in summer and the wife would drive it for a month (50-50 city\highway) and it would usually average in that 16-17 mpg american.

of course that's with her driving it. as like most engines with lots of power it takes fuel to make that power. if you often put the pedal to the floor that average goes down quickly.

[David Jones]

Big numbers compared to the 4.8 2003 2 wheel GMC I had.

[big hammer]

the 5.3 makes more torque than the 454 TBI i have :lol:


but the 454 peaks around 1200 rpm

[GTO Dan]

Wait until the RAM 1500 with the 3.0 v6 turbo diesel comes out early next year (it is available in the Grand Cherokee later this year).

The 1500 is expected to get 28 mpg for 4wd and 30 for 2wd and tow 12000 lbs. that will hurt some feelings.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

Wait until the RAM 1500 with the 3.0 v6 turbo diesel comes out early next year (it is available in the Grand Cherokee later this year).

The 1500 is expected to get 28 mpg for 4wd and 30 for 2wd and tow 12000 lbs. that will hurt some feelings.

+ the additional purchase price, maintenance and more expensive fuel.

[GTO Dan]

Originally Posted by big hammer

+ the additional purchase price, maintenance and more expensive fuel.

4500 extra sticker for the Diesel. Don't agree on maintenance being more. The mileage will more than make up for it if you drive much and tow or haul....we are talking pick up trucks.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by bigunde

Brad I like this lil hot rod. My personal vehicle is a Chevy 1500HD but I have no issues with this Ford other than that "tick" in the heads. Little embarrasing at the drive thrus but oh well. LOL

One of my family members bought a 3500 Duramaxx; I admit I like the truck, but for the type of hauling I'd use a diesel for I question GM's foundation; we've tore up too many Chebby frames.

Originally Posted by bigunde

Bob, it has done it since it was new. Its usually after long drives or after "stretching" its legs LOL. All our 5.0's are doing it. We have a couple of 2012 Ford F-150 shortbed reg cab with the v-6. Nothing from them at this time. Mine is the 4x4 ext cab and have to admit the little reg cab 2wd v-6 spanked my butt the other day. lol

Overhead cam engines usually tend to have more "clatter" to them.

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

4500 extra sticker for the Diesel. Don't agree on maintenance being more. The mileage will more than make up for it if you drive much and tow or haul....we are talking pick up trucks.

That just shows how little this guy knows about diesels; that's why I threw him on ignore.

If you're hauling big loads the diesel will outperform, outpull and outlive a gasser anyday.

Plus, gassers guzzle gas when they're loaded heavy, diesels dont give a damn.

I'll take the 800 + ft pds of torque when pullin 10,000 + lbs anyday especially on a grade.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

4500 extra sticker for the Diesel. Don't agree on maintenance being more. The mileage will more than make up for it if you drive much and tow or haul....we are talking pick up trucks.

for people that put on a lot of miles towing it may pay back.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

One of my family members bought a 3500 Duramaxx; I admit I like the truck, but for the type of hauling I'd use a diesel for I question GM's foundation; we've tore up too many Chebby frames.





Overhead cam engines usually tend to have more "clatter" to them.



That just shows how little this guy knows about diesels; that's why I threw him on ignore.

If you're hauling big loads the diesel will outperform, outpull and outlive a gasser anyday.

Plus, gassers guzzle gas when they're loaded heavy, diesels dont give a damn.

I'll take the 800 + ft pds of torque when pullin 10,000 + lbs anyday especially on a grade.

yeah never mind that i've had my CDL for years and own actual trucks. but go on living in your dream world little man.

[big hammer]

with the new 5.3 ecotec on the graph.

[big hammer]

is the ram 1500 diesel going to have more power than the grand cherokee?

[yak]

Originally Posted by big hammer

i had a 2004 reg cab short box 5.3 4x4. it would get a best of 20 mpg. (highway)

then a 2009 5.3 crew cab 4x4 with 3:42's and it would usually be in that 19-21 range.


traded that on a 2011 6.2 CC 4x4 with the max trailering package (3:73's) and in comparable conditions to the others it most often pulls 21-23. it takes some kind of conditions like heavy winds or rain to take it under 20. and power that makes the 5.3 feel like an anemic turd.

i would reset the fuel indicator in summer and the wife would drive it for a month (50-50 city\highway) and it would usually average in that 16-17 mpg american.

of course that's with her driving it. as like most engines with lots of power it takes fuel to make that power. if you often put the pedal to the floor that average goes down quickly.

how many times did you have to change the frames in those trucks? chebby has weak frames that are easy to tear up....

[mechanic17]

455gv, gm 1/2 tons have had boxed frames for several years now--possibly a response to charges of weakness--but should be quite a bit harder to hurt them now.

[Bob Hall]

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

Wait until the RAM 1500 with the 3.0 v6 turbo diesel comes out early next year (it is available in the Grand Cherokee later this year).

The 1500 is expected to get 28 mpg for 4wd and 30 for 2wd and tow 12000 lbs. that will hurt some feelings.

It is my understanding that the company that manufactures the diesel is half owned by Fiat and GM. I wouldn't be surprised to see that same engine sitting in a GM.

[GTO Dan]

Originally Posted by big hammer

is the ram 1500 diesel going to have more power than the grand cherokee?

I think it is about the same. 250 hp and 400 torque.