[Formulabruce]

LOL, No silly, SS IS being paid..

[PMD1969]

I'll take that unwanted job.

[zephyrracer]

Originally Posted by Scarebird

ah. So my social security is gone and my 401k and union pension are flying high then? Must be beer:30 in Bizarroland...

Social Security used to be in a locked box Johnson put it the general fund and at the time there were many people paying in, now there is no Social Security box its just borrowed money and very few pay into it, if this money was in a locked box and payed interest on investment it would be a good deal, 401k good deal you get a return for putting your money at risk, pensions are a good deal if the money is set aside and invested for a good return, there are many pensions that are being paid out of the general fund and not out of a pension security so when say an seiu member gets a raise or retirement pay goes up even though the market and private sector can't afford it then the private sectors quality of life goes down.

Hope this helps you if you need more explanation I will be glad to do so Gregg

[zephyrracer]

Originally Posted by zephyrracer

Social Security used to be in a locked box Johnson put it the general fund and at the time there were many people paying in, now there is no Social Security box its just borrowed money and very few pay into it, if this money was in a locked box and payed interest on investment it would be a good deal, 401k good deal you get a return for putting your money at risk, pensions are a good deal if the money is set aside and invested for a good return, there are many pensions that are being paid out of the general fund and not out of a pension security so when say an seiu member gets a raise or retirement pay goes up even though the market and private sector can't afford it then the private sectors quality of life goes down.

Hope this helps you if you need more explanation I will be glad to do so Gregg

I want to add something here , i have worked my ass off all my life never lived high on the hog always put money aside so to live comfortable when the time comes never had time for a beer still don't You want to see Bizarroland Look no farther than the White House and it's supporters.

Gregg

[Scarebird]

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by PMD1969

I'll take that unwanted job.

Yes indeed; you, me, and 33 million illegal aliens will - indeed - take that unwanted job.

Hope this all works out, in a short and sweet manner, for our fellow PYrs who are furloughed.

[PMD1969]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Yes indeed; you, me, and 33 million illegal aliens will - indeed - take that unwanted job.

Hope this all works out, in a short and sweet manner, for our fellow PYrs who are furloughed.

I thought it was only 11 million lol.

I'm not hire-able anyway. Being a non-felon, college educated, drug and alcohol free, childless, clean cut, hard working white male I do not fit the new American mold.

[Captainofiron]

Originally Posted by zephyrracer

Just want to say I hope some day people will wake up and see government isn't working for we the people it works for itself, everyone should be on the same playing field and the same rules, everyone should pay their share and the government as well, as a private citizen it erks my ass when government workers get an increase in living standards mine goes down !!! all retirement should be in a locked box and government hands off that's why we are in the trouble we are in. I feel for you but realize this government is turning people into surf and sloth basically slaves. I should close with what I have just said as I could expound on whats going on in this country and best not but I say this THE NEWS MEDIA IS PUBLIC ENEMY #1 AND SOCIALISM HAS TAKEN CONTROL OF THE NEWS MEDIA AND OUR GOVERNMENT.

Stop being pawns and take care Gregg

LOL

I generally agree with most of your points but the part that I bolded is just not true, all of the civil servants that I work with have had their wages frozen for years now, and the contractors get a 1 to 2 % cost of living increase per year

[Captainofiron]

Originally Posted by Formulabruce

you will get back pay..

I hope so, but I doubt it, they didnt the last time

[zephyrracer]

Originally Posted by Captainofiron

LOL

I generally agree with most of your points but the part that I bolded is just not true, all of the civil servants that I work with have had their wages frozen for years now, and the contractors get a 1 to 2 % cost of living increase per year

Hi I have no problem with anyone getting a raise, if the private industry can support a raise it's fine even in economic turn downs no one here is holding a gun to anyone's head and making them purchase their product, if people stop buying the private industry product private industry will cut cost and pay to stay in business on the other hand not all but most gov workers get raises and we have no recourse but pay. the real problem is when the gov worker retires after 30 yrs 50 years old 55 years old 25k a year for health care payed that is roughly 5k a year more than the private industry insurance for the same coverage and 5k of that is donated to Democratic Election over charging the public ( theft ) and along with the 25k health care what ever their retirement package is , public workers need to retire like the rest of us and retire at 65 if they can afford to retire earlier and on their own dime like the rest of us that's fine just saying the public cannot afford the lavish benefits of the government, we pay so much our government it is hard for a lot of people to save for themselves that's why I say all retirement should be lock boxed.

Take Care out their Gregg

[PonchoV8]

This is DoEnergy and DoDefense territory. I'm sorry but we just can't afford to keep creating jobs for people so they can build develop and build drones to spy on us.
Yeah, I know it's a lot more than that, but what I'm really saying is that I feel for those having their employment challenged, but I think the bubble of government contractors and companies is way over due for deflation.

[rexs73gto]

You say the gov. workers don't get raises but your wrong they do get a bonous each years that is equale to or usually much better then the raise they would be getting, so mo raise is really needed. Also most all of the gov. workers make more then the avg. priviet worker makes anyway. There are very few & I say again very few if any gov. worker that starts out on min. wage & most start at what some are making after 20 years of hard work & no benefits. They (gov) workers also get several days off each year for the sillyest reasons. Plus they get extra paid days just because, with the best medical, dental & eye care around. I know when you get use to having everything just handed to you you want more but the gov. worker should have to work the same way everyone else has to , & only make what an avg. person on the outside does not 100% more then everyone else. The Navy guy who shot up the Navy base proberly found out that the guy next to him who worked for the gov. found out he was making 5 times as much as him for doing the same job & thats what made him go off. He realised how much he was getting screwed & took it out on the SPOILED gov. workers.

[arbys]

IIRC all the furloughed workers will get their back pay. Isn't that like a paid vacation?

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Captainofiron

I hope so, but I doubt it, they didnt the last time

Hang in their my friend...hope it all works out for you.

[PonchoV8]

State government in Tn is pretty low pay. What they do get is job security. They also get more holidays than private and lots of sick time. And sick time can be banked until retirement when it can be converted to vacation, but not on a 1 to 1 ratio. It's still something most private firms don't get.

[arbys]

Originally Posted by arbys

IIRC all the furloughed workers will get their back pay. Isn't that like a paid vacation?

How costly is that? Furlough the workers and get nothing in return. Yep, that's our government.

[beertracker]

If this isn't a political topic I don't know what is! This is sensitive topic to the millions out of work people in the private sector who have no pay check or hopes of getting one. I can tell ya right now who is NON-ESSENTIAL; the 435 house members, the 100 senators, the 1 non-essential VP and the 1 liar in chief. If you want to stop this silliness just take THEIR pay checks away and see how soon the problem is SOLVED!

[rexs73gto]

They should all have term limits so we don't have to deal with the same liers & cheats for no longer then we do for the head leader in graft. Also they shoudn't be able to vote on any raise they may get. Also lets see how they will get along with making what the avg. person in America makes, no more then $ 35K then we that get the money we put in would be able to live a decent life on the money we should be getting.I worked my entire life & yes I said my entire life, I've worked since I was 11 years old & now I get the priviliage of making enough to be in the below poverty level for that & I vet to boot.Now the gov. can't even make a simple decision to give me a decant health care option without it costing me more money so if I pay for it then, I also get the priviliage to not eat for 3 days a week to be able to afford it. But every gov. worker gets what I can't afford for free & then some.

[Formulabruce]

The "DC" Government workers have got 23% AVG pay increase since 2009. These folks get 72% of their healthcare premiums paid as well. ( these are facts).
These are NOT the contractors, and "outside the beltway" Government employees.
There is a difference and its easy to lump them all into one.