[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by johnta1

How about if you take that tablespoon of water and drop it down the throat of your carb while it's idling?

Does it make a difference?

Maybe I am older than dirt, but water into the carb while the engine was running used to be a way of decarbonizing an engine in the old days.

Stan

[johnta1]

Yep, but usually at a high idle, so the engine wouldn't die.

[johnta1]

Can you let the "science world" know cause they their still arguing how/why it happens.

Probably the ECM guys?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Probably the ECM guys?

Go shove a big cactus up your azz!!

[mike leech]

Or a small one.

[GTO Dan]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Go shove a big cactus up your azz!!

Jack - I think you made a mistake. You didn't login to YB, this is PY.

We are much too civilized here for that! Cactus is too crude for some here, instead of a "cactus" use "prickly pear". Much more civilized.

[Half-Inch Stud]

it's snowing.
again.

perhaps the VERY best rambling ever: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs00fBj2nH0

[Motor Daddy]

Originally Posted by Half-Inch Stud

it's snowing.
again.

perhaps the VERY best rambling ever: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs00fBj2nH0

Yeah there is a moral. The moral of his story was that you can smoke, drink, and eat bacon every day of your life and you can still live to 95 years old. "It just goes to show you" that while some people die of smoking and eating bacon, he didn't, he's still above ground! Temporarily, as we all are.

[Wareagle]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Hey -- I believe in Asgard

All I want to know is how your Twin Turbo Real live Pontiac powered GTO is running and will you get it up to Mission Raceway soon

[miltmilton]

I’ve been a member of this forum for many years and as you can see I don’t participate very often and I’ve been apprehensive about jumping into this highly active bantering for fear of being viewed as just some rookie and that I’d be admonished for presenting something to the conversation. Then I remembered that y’all are my heroes and heroes can do no harm.

I got together with 4 good friends of mine. Three are Doctorate Level Theoretical Physicists (Sheldon, Lenard and Raj) and Howard is a Master’s Level Mechanical Engineer. All four guys are very well known for their extremely high intelligence. I presented them the hypothesis about coatings on the chambers or piston tops giving an increase of power output due to the thermal protection of the coating materials. A highly animated debate ensued among the three physicists depicting the many different aspects (most of which were already presented in this thread) and that in theory, there would be an increase in power output. That’s when Howard (the M.E.) threw a wrench into the conversation saying that they were so wrapped up in the original hypothesis, they forgot all about the Law Of Unintended Consequences. He went on to say that they were missing the boat and that he had empirical data based on many experiments. Howard presented the position that the increase in power output was due the .003” coating on the piston or chamber (or both to double the effect) and would obviously increase the compression ratio and we all know that the higher the compression ration the higher the power output would be. Sheldon, Lenard and Raj reluctantly couldn’t reject Howard’s logic because it was based on long known and accepted data. I asked them if they could tell me how much faster my car would be and they said, “Well, you’d at least knock off a couple of days if you were going to where no man has gone before; the outer reaches of the galaxy but it really wouldn’t make any difference to me since I’d be cosmic dust by the time I got there.” We’re still best of friends to this day.

[David Holmberg]

Originally Posted by miltmilton

I’ve been a member of this forum for many years and as you can see I don’t participate very often and I’ve been apprehensive about jumping into this highly active bantering for fear of being viewed as just some rookie and that I’d be admonished for presenting something to the conversation. Then I remembered that y’all are my heroes and heroes can do no harm.

I got together with 4 good friends of mine. Three are Doctorate Level Theoretical Physicists (Sheldon, Lenard and Raj) and Howard is a Master’s Level Mechanical Engineer. All four guys are very well known for their extremely high intelligence. I presented them the hypothesis about coatings on the chambers or piston tops giving an increase of power output due to the thermal protection of the coating materials. A highly animated debate ensued among the three physicists depicting the many different aspects (most of which were already presented in this thread) and that in theory, there would be an increase in power output. That’s when Howard (the M.E.) threw a wrench into the conversation saying that they were so wrapped up in the original hypothesis, they forgot all about the Law Of Unintended Consequences. He went on to say that they were missing the boat and that he had empirical data based on many experiments. Howard presented the position that the increase in power output was due the .003” coating on the piston or chamber (or both to double the effect) and would obviously increase the compression ratio and we all know that the higher the compression ration the higher the power output would be. Sheldon, Lenard and Raj reluctantly couldn’t reject Howard’s logic because it was based on long known and accepted data. I asked them if they could tell me how much faster my car would be and they said, “Well, you’d at least knock off a couple of days if you were going to where no man has gone before; the outer reaches of the galaxy but it really wouldn’t make any difference to me since I’d be cosmic dust by the time I got there.” We’re still best of friends to this day.

Milt that was great! But you should have asked Penny.

[johnta1]

I got together with 4 good friends of mine. Three are Doctorate Level Theoretical Physicists (Sheldon, Lenard and Raj) and Howard is a Master’s Level Mechanical Engineer. All four guys are very well known for their extremely high intelligence. I presented them the hypothesis about coatings on the chambers or piston tops giving an increase of power output due to the thermal protection of the coating materials. A highly animated debate ensued among the three physicists depicting the many different aspects (most of which were already presented in this thread) and that in theory, there would be an increase in power output. That’s when Howard (the M.E.) threw a wrench into the conversation saying that they were so wrapped up in the original hypothesis, they forgot all about the Law Of Unintended Consequences. He went on to say that they were missing the boat and that he had empirical data based on many experiments. Howard presented the position that the increase in power output was due the .003” coating on the piston or chamber (or both to double the effect) and would obviously increase the compression ratio and we all know that the higher the compression ration the higher the power output would be. Sheldon, Lenard and Raj reluctantly couldn’t reject Howard’s logic because it was based on long known and accepted data. I asked them if they could tell me how much faster my car would be and they said, “Well, you’d at least knock off a couple of days if you were going to where no man has gone before; the outer reaches of the galaxy but it really wouldn’t make any difference to me since I’d be cosmic dust by the time I got there.” We’re still best of friends to this day.

That's good Milton!



What temp did they come up with for cooler/hotter chamber temps when using the thermal barrier coating?

Ask them to join and add their views?

[johnta1]

output was due the .003” coating on the piston or chamber (or both to double the effect) and would obviously increase the compression ratio and we all know that the higher the compression ration the higher the power output would be

Btw, should have asked them if the combustion process was better with the coating how much more power could be had if optimizing to take the new conditions into effect?

[Motor Daddy]

Originally Posted by miltmilton

I’ve been a member of this forum for many years and as you can see I don’t participate very often and I’ve been apprehensive about jumping into this highly active bantering for fear of being viewed as just some rookie and that I’d be admonished for presenting something to the conversation. Then I remembered that y’all are my heroes and heroes can do no harm.

I got together with 4 good friends of mine. Three are Doctorate Level Theoretical Physicists (Sheldon, Lenard and Raj) and Howard is a Master’s Level Mechanical Engineer. All four guys are very well known for their extremely high intelligence. I presented them the hypothesis about coatings on the chambers or piston tops giving an increase of power output due to the thermal protection of the coating materials. A highly animated debate ensued among the three physicists depicting the many different aspects (most of which were already presented in this thread) and that in theory, there would be an increase in power output. That’s when Howard (the M.E.) threw a wrench into the conversation saying that they were so wrapped up in the original hypothesis, they forgot all about the Law Of Unintended Consequences. He went on to say that they were missing the boat and that he had empirical data based on many experiments. Howard presented the position that the increase in power output was due the .003” coating on the piston or chamber (or both to double the effect) and would obviously increase the compression ratio and we all know that the higher the compression ration the higher the power output would be. Sheldon, Lenard and Raj reluctantly couldn’t reject Howard’s logic because it was based on long known and accepted data. I asked them if they could tell me how much faster my car would be and they said, “Well, you’d at least knock off a couple of days if you were going to where no man has gone before; the outer reaches of the galaxy but it really wouldn’t make any difference to me since I’d be cosmic dust by the time I got there.” We’re still best of friends to this day.

Are you Professor Proton?

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Btw, should have asked them if the combustion process was better with the coating how much more power could be had if optimizing to take the new conditions into effect?

You do realize that they were exploring theories and pretty much gave an anology similar to toms.....right John? No real new news. I know you got all excited about smart people talking(as I'm sure you only include yourself in that catagory). Still nothing to prove or back up THE theory. Eh tiger.

[mike leech]

Great post milt

[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by motor-daddy

Are you Professor Proton?

If yes, ask "are you positive?"

Beam me TF coatings up.

Coatings: who cares?!

My points on texture for wet-flow have gone completely crickets. As if....it works.

[johnta1]

anology similar to toms

Hmmm...

Don't know about anology?



Here's Tom's analogy in a different form:

1 snowflake on the ground will not matter in the grand scheme of things.

So, when that next snow storm comes, just think of it as "what can a snowflake do?"

No big deal.

[johnta1]

My points on texture for wet-flow have gone completely crickets. As if....it works.

Rough textures work?

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Hmmm...

Don't know about anology?



Here's Tom's analogy in a different form:

1 snowflake on the ground will not matter in the grand scheme of things.

So, when that next snow storm comes, just think of it as "what can a snowflake do?"

No big deal.

Whoa dude thats heavy.....man.