[ccie3611]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Tran...US_Cars_Trucks

great pics from original car

the rear bumper was a surprise to me (never seen one like that), at first I thought it was from a 73 or something but then I saw it in the PHS!

[transam1972]

what, WWIII

[TA455HO]

Don't laugh too hard. I just bought and brought back from California a one owner original 1966 Ford F250 Ranger Deluxe Camper Special. One of 3 known to exist, this one with special paint. The 86 year old owner had sanded it some and lost interest and the outside is surface rusted everywhere he sanded it, but with a quick sandblasting it is coming out perfect. No rust through and no dents or dings to speak of. Not saying it is the case here, but surface rust wouldn't scare me as long as it isn't heavily pitted.

[transam1972]

my idea of survivior status and someone elses varies...I like the patch piece held up..look its fixed!!..everything is restoreable..I believe survivior has original paint and should not be a term applied to this car...still amazes how these cars keep turning up!...interesting the vacuum modulator line turns in the center of the intake manifold..that is how my repop is..so that's a good sign...spring ring battery cable?

[TA455HO]

Simply put, the definition of survivor is

a person or thing that survives.

This car can be driven down the street. May have a bit of gray hair and some wrinkles. But a person that was buried for 30 years would probably not have survived...

If my hair turns gray and my skin wrinkles, am I no longer surviving?

Even if I loose both legs, both arms, all my hair, all my teeth and have every disease known to man I'd still be considered a survivor, maybe even more so than your average person.

Granted, this may not fit the definition of a Bloomington Gold survivor with all original paint, but it is a survivor by dictionary definition.

[RicksGTO]

Doesn't really matter what term he uses to describe it as far as I'm conerned, it looks like a car that survived being modified and survived having the majority of it's valuable parts changed out over the years which is pretty rare. The California surface rust wouldn't scare me compared to some of the crustaceans that have been brought back by members on our site Will be interesting to see what it goes for.

[70RAlll]

That is one car that would provide a wealth of info for those doing 1972 Firebirds. As Rick said, nice that it appears to have only had normal service items replaced. I bet some of the hoses/v-belts on that car are the original GM installed pieces.

As far as survivor.. that is exactly what I call a survivor. a car that still drives and has never succumbed to "performance" upgrades and never been repainted. granted this one doesn't have much paint left, still a survivor..

[Judge273]

" It has never been apart and still has all of the original drive train in it including the 800 cfm QuadraJet carburetor which has never been apart. The original complete 455 H.O. engine is still in it and appears to have never been out of the car."

If the numbers all match that's a big bonus to the survivor status!

[RamAir]

I like it, appears to be all there

[transam1972]

I would have to see this car in person ...to determine the true condition and mileage of this car...the car could have been repainted once...then all the paint sanded off and left to rust...in 1985 then my car was a survivior too..it did have a repaint..but if I sanded all the paint off and let it sit 30 years it we be a survivior...all cars are surviviors then...I think of my car as 1/2 survivior...1/2 original 1/2 restored...I would consider the RED S.C.C.A. T/A a true survivior....5k miles and for the most part, all original....this guy lists 2 different mileages...138 k on the top...38k on the bottem....the car is missing the some of the same parts I was at 58k...this car has replacement a/c clamps and something is not right...more like 138k...would need photos of all numbers, or take him at his word?

[TA455HO]

Originally Posted by transam1972

all cars are surviviors then...

Not true. Only cars that are still surviving. Lots of cars have been crushed and, to me at least, that is the end of life for a car.

[transam1972]

of course cars that are crushed...they have gone to the car graveyard in the sky...N.Y. said it best...rust never sleeps...in 1979 my brother would tell me my 1976 T/A was rusting just as it sits there...he also told me that when I took the brake fluid cap off..the fluid was ruined because it was exposed to the air...I also had to wait till the end of April to put my car on the road so all the salt was washed away..fun times

[TA455HO]

They don't use salt on the roads here in WA, but do you know why? The reason might surprise people (or maybe not).

[transam1972]

I went to visit..they used ash (1978)...an environmental thing back then...same in your state?

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by TA455HO

They don't use salt on the roads here in WA, but do you know why? The reason might surprise people (or maybe not).

Fish?

[TA455HO]

Originally Posted by Tellyshavilli

Fish?

Yep, specifically our beloved Salmon. They can only handle water being so salty.

Plus it makes the fish taste salty.

I like animals - they taste good.

[Formulajones]

The original term "survivor" when the Corvette society originally coined the phrase is NOT what this car is. Survivor status by collector car definition is a car that still retains at least 80% or more of it's original paint, most of not all it's original born with parts and pieces, and has had very little if any restoration work performed. There are even catagories now as to the level of it's "survivor" status, and this car doesn't fall into any of them, lol.

Nowadays the term is thrown around so much that various people have their own opinions of what a survivor is, and the term has gotten pretty much useless as a result.

This car is a "restorer" LOL It's way beyond saving and preserving as a survivor.

[TA455HO]

The term survivor dates from the timeframe 1495-1505. The very first Corvette was built 448 years later. But, ya, I get your point. The guys ad should be pulled from eBay because he used a term coined by the Corvette guys.

[keith k]

This one looks like a great project car and excellent restoration candidate.
With all its original metal pretty much still there, and its original drivetrain still there.... yes, it's a "survivor".

[70RAlll]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

The original term "survivor" when the Corvette society originally coined the phrase is NOT what this car is. Survivor status by collector car definition is a car that still retains at least 80% or more of it's original paint, most of not all it's original born with parts and pieces, and has had very little if any restoration work performed. There are even catagories now as to the level of it's "survivor" status, and this car doesn't fall into any of them, lol.

Nowadays the term is thrown around so much that various people have their own opinions of what a survivor is, and the term has gotten pretty much useless as a result.

This car is a "restorer" LOL It's way beyond saving and preserving as a survivor.

I am so glad we are not a bunch of corvette guys.. think we have a shark tank...we are baby's compared to those guys.. and 'jones..i get what you are saying.. but I'm sure many have used the term survivor before the corvette clubs.. my definition of a survivor is quite simple, a car that still drives that only had normal wear and tear service items replaced. irrespective of remaining finish..not saying my definition is the correct one, but that is what I call a survivor. I am sure many will agree with me and some will disagree.