[MUSLCAH]

I have a 1964 GP with the "Slim Jim" or roto hydro automatic that has the starter mounted to the bell housing....Iam told that I need the holes for a block mounted starter to put in a 4 speed OR a Newer transmission th400 or 200R4. I pulled the starter out today to find the holes.... I just need a picture of that area ..if someone has one.....just to make sure I can continue with the swap. Not sure how a block mounted starter bolts up. Thanks for Any help !

[MUSLCAH]

Oh it's a 389 4 barrel motor

[cruzingratiot]

starter rh block

[webfoot]

It would seem a bit easier to find the correct style bell housing, then you can put that 4-speed in with your existing block.

I have one I'm not going to use, PM me if interested.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by webfoot

It would seem a bit easier to find the correct style bell housing, then you can put that 4-speed in with your existing block.

Since his car is a '64 the correct holes are most likely there. He could use the early style bellhousing but it does open the opportunity to use the later style as well.

[b-man]

Every '64 block I've seen has the starter holes already drilled and tapped.

That includes both a-body and b-body engines, 326, 389 & 421.

[Willshire]

Mine had the holes


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[Engine-Ear]

great pic, cruzingratiot!

Thanks for sharing that.

[cruzingratiot]

if you don't have the starter holes
you need a plate (starter plate )
bendtsen's transmission sells one
here is a pic of mine for the BOP pattern transmission
I should be doing my 2004r swap over winter

http://www.transmissionadapters.com/

[b-man]

Here are two blocks from 1964 big Pontiacs, both have the starter mounting holes drilled and tapped.

1964 389 block:



1964 421 block:

[MUSLCAH]

Originally Posted by cruzingratiot

if you don't have the starter holes
you need a plate (starter plate )
bendtsen's transmission sells one
here is a pic of mine for the BOP pattern transmission
I should be doing my 2004r swap over winter

http://www.transmissionadapters.com/

Very nice ! So Iam in luck either way...very happy !!! Question...Iam leaning towards the 200r4 also.....what mods are you doing to the trans ??. Or you just buying a beefed up one ?? Also what converter ? Plans are for Wintah project too. I would like to chirp the tires when shifting into 2nd !! Thanks

[MUSLCAH]

Thanks for those awesome Pics B- Man !!

[cruzingratiot]

Originally Posted by MUSLCAH

Very nice ! So Iam in luck either way...very happy !!! Question...Iam leaning towards the 200r4 also.....what mods are you doing to the trans ??. Or you just buying a beefed up one ?? Also what converter ? Plans are for Wintah project too. I would like to chirp the tires when shifting into 2nd !! Thanks

I had my trans built
I started with a 1986 cutlass 442 transmission core (reason below)
told my trans guy what I wanted & what I was going to do with the car
not race it. just a cruiser


just use a large trans cooler is what I am always told

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there are a lot of variations of the 200r4
if you buy a core to start with (look below at info to identify the most desirable)
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The TV Cable Adjustment is the most important part of a successful installation of your 2004R. The
TV cable is not a kick down cable as some think. The TV cable or detent cable is a Throttle Valve
Cable that adjusts main line pressure of your 2004R based on throttle position. This variable
adjustment of main line pressure is to insure proper line pressure for the amount of torque that is
being applied to the clutch packs inside of your transmission, based on throttle position. Too much
TV pressure results in 2nd gear starts and harsh extended shifts. Too little TV adjustment results in
early shifts, soft shifts and ultimately in the failure of the transmission.


read the rest here
http://www.extremeautomatics.com/ima...on_Install.pdf

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The most desirable TH-200-4Rs for performance enthusiasts are the units manufactured for Buick Grand National, Olds 4-4-2 and Chevy Monte Carlo SS in 1986-'87. These units used a special valve body. They also had a larger reverse boost valve, second to third intermediate servo, and a specially designed governor assembly. Their BQ, OZ, CZF, KZF or BRF transmission codes can identify these more desirable units.
read the rest here
https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hm...s/3694151.html
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[MUSLCAH]

Great info !!

[Goatracer1]

If you need help let me know. I don't live far from you. My 1964 GP has a T350 and my 1967 GTO has a 200-4R so I may have the sources you need plus you can check out installations if you need to.

[MUSLCAH]

Thanks Goatracer !