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Interesting points. If you moved the firewall and drivetrain to a donor car, is that considered illegal? If so, then I guess you keep the firewall in place but replace EVERYTHING else. I mean, you can replace the frame and the car is still the car, VIN and drivetrain and all, right? All of this assumes you are upfront and not being deceitful about it.
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Adam __________________ 1964 LeGTO 469, M21, 3.42 __________________ Sold: 1968 Pontiac LeMans Convertible See it go HERE |
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Best way to save this one is someone buy it reasonable, fix a few things then get tired of it and sell it. The next person does the same. Then no one is in it too deep and lots of people can tell stories of the rare GTO they used to own.
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I've been into restoring cars, motorcycles, guitars and amps, and so far the general consensus from the enthusiasts of each of these hobbies is quite varied as to what should and should not be done with a project.
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Good chance the block has freeze cracks, what might look like a valuable Tri-Power 4-speed block with the correct codes is likely now only a neat coffee table.
Those Tri-Power carb bodies are probably too corroded to save and for sure the throttle bodies are stuck solid. Engine is for sure stuck, and the amount of corrosion present inside the cylinders might even make sleeving impossible, along with the combustion chambers and ports being too corroded to be able to save the heads. All of the brake and fuel hard lines are gone right along with the frame. Sorry guys, this one's not going anywhere except to the scrap yard after someone yanks the drivetrain to explore what if any of it is still salvageable. Not even in your wildest dreams is this one, looking anywhere near how it looks in its present state, ever going to wow anyone at a car show. Paying more than a grand for this sorry heap would be a huge gamble, and it might not even be worth that.
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1964 Tempest Coupe LS3/4L70E/3.42 1964 Le Mans Convertible 421 HO/TH350/2.56 2002 WS6 Convertible LS1/4L60E/3.23 |
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The most expensive body repairs are rust repairs. When done correctly on the worst cases it can be astronomically labor intensive. That equals dollars. I always advise people who are classic car shopping to buy the most complete and rust free example that they can afford, especially when looking for a project.
This car is a major fail in that regard. It's 30 years too late. I live in the Carolina's and, like I alluded to early in this thread, this car has been in a harsh coastal environment. The OP has confirmed that himself. I am in the business of saving old cars, and even if it was given to me, I would lose money fixing it in my own shop. |
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You would have to put on your roseary beads,thorn crown and sandals , to bring that one back
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Metalfinnisher would have no problem turning this into a 100 point car
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Bentwheelbob should buy it. I think he can molecularly separate the metal composition, kill the rust atoms, fill the voids with new non Chinese metal compunds, and 3D print assist the reconstruct. All without a welder. Go Bob.
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Sorry Adam, if it gets parted out, that will be on my car someday.
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1965 GTO 389 Tri-Power 4-Speed Johnny |
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Now that's funny for sure. How many GTOs out there today do you think weren't put back together with welded up pieces of Lemans,Tempest donor cars? Really You GTO purist think it's Ok just as long as you use the firewall right?
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Firewall recreation cars can be not as structurally sound, so I avoid them, as I want no worries doing high speed jumps.
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72 Bird |
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I think it would be an interesting display item as-is in the Pontiac museum. Just to show what happened to so many of these special cars before values (and status) escalated. Kinda like the station wagon/camping scene. Show this one in it's former habitat of overgrown weeds and trees, abandoned to the ravages of time and the elements. After all, junkers, lost causes, what coulda/shoulda been stories, and restoration/originality debates are a rich part of our great hobby!
And, yeah, it's a lot rustier than I thought from my original, cursory glance at the pics...
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69 Judge, SURVIVOR, Carousel Red/Parchment, RAIII, 4-sp, 63k orig. miles, unrestored, #'s match 65 GTO, SURVIVOR, Tri-Power, 4-sp, 79k orig. miles, Capri Gold, orig. paint, top, interior, #'s match 70 GTO Conv, 400, at, A/C, Atoll Blue/Sandlewood/White top, all #'s match 2015 Challenger R/T Plus, hemi, Sublime |
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Adam __________________ 1964 LeGTO 469, M21, 3.42 __________________ Sold: 1968 Pontiac LeMans Convertible See it go HERE |
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And another.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Pontiac...3D152572251644 This one was Sunfire Red, mentions the debunked tale that Sunfire Red was discontinued. Metallics had been produced for years if not decades before '64 and Sunfire Red Pontiacs were easily documented to have been produced every month of '64 production (not to mention Buicks which used the same paint color). IMO, any problem experienced with Sunfire Red in '64 was a figment of a wild imagination. And no evidence that the color was ever made unavailable during the '64 Model Year. It was rare simply because it wasn't very popular, a "problem" shared with many other paint colors. As a passionate '64 fan, I hope they would ALL get restored. And frankly, I don't care how it would be done. I've never understood those that think scrapping one makes the one they've got more valuable. This debate used to be common about 10-15 years ago. I have my own opinion about it, don't need for me to argue it again. Exercise in futility. I would slobber over this one even if it was dragged to a local cruise night. |
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I actually like that museum idea. I think it would get a lot of attention. Display it next to a museum quality survivor display of the same year, options and color combo.
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I would be OK with someone switching all of the parts (minus the data plate) of this car onto another non-GTO car and using it; just don't try to sell it as a GTO.
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1965 GTO 389 Tri-Power 4-Speed Johnny |
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Just get rid of the mice first....
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Some guys they just give up living And start dying little by little, piece by piece, Some guys come home from work and wash up, And go racin' in the street. Bruce Springsteen - Racing In The Street - 1978 |
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