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My RAIII has bright blue... wish it had black..
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Current Pontiacs - 1973 Formula SD455 - #'s auto orig paint 1972 Trans Am - 4 speed orig paint 1974 Formula 400 - Ram Air automatic 1966 2+2 convertible - 421 4bbl automatic 1967 Grand Prix - 4 speed orig paint 1967 GTO - 4 speed orig paint 35k orig miles |
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This is the car that sold for $150K about a year ago, from the "Jack & Donna Steele" collection, at Worldwide Auctioneers in Auburn, IN.
The selling dealer's website says, "In terms of present condition, this 1970 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Hardtop is absolutely breathtaking with an immaculate, blemish-free exterior and sensational paint." I looked the car over at the auction last year, and the paint was definitely not "blemish-free". So perhaps it's had some work done since then. And without some documentation, I'm not buying the selling dealer's statement that the "the powers to be at Pontiac Motor Division ordered this car to be built without the factory rear sway bar. We can only assume that the Marketing People wanted to put the tire smoking capabilities of this rare RAM AIR IV Trans Am on full display to impress the automotive journalists writing about this beast." It would have been easy enough not to bolt one on, I suppose, but the car is missing the welded-on brackets on the rear frame rails, as well. They could put correct rear quarter trim panels in it for $250K, too.
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keith k 70 Trans Am RA III / T400 / Lucerne Blue / Bright Blue 70 Trans Am RA III / M20 / Lucerne Blue / Sandalwood 70 Formula RA III / M21 / Lucerne Blue / Bright Blue |
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I figured that the early pre-production shifter handle on a very late production car looking this nice meant someone went through it, and made it to present very well.
I'm with you on the rear swaybar part...
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I looked at this car up in Syracuse New York in 1985 ,at that time it had just been purchased from the original owner and it was painted white
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Did you know it was originally Lucerne Blue?
Wonder why they would paint it white? (love Lucerne Blue )
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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Yes , I looked it over very thoroughly , was trying to buy it . It was bought as gift to daughter and at sometime she decided to go white . Was very original car
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what was their asking price back in 1985?
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I remember the car didn't bid well or get good reviews from observers. Although the Bandit type TA's at the same auction were going nuclear. So there was money in the house, car just wasn't pulling its weight at the time. Historically, White outsold Blue every year. Blue ratio dropped every year. 73 they even Dropped Blue altogether it got so bad ... but we all know this . and i'm just having fun making fun of it I know guys love their Lucy's White probably worked better over top of all the Syracuse body work back then. |
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Not that it matters, I used to prefer blue, but these days I find I prefer white...
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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For all the blue car and brewster car owners, don't hate, just giving my opinion. |
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I was not able to talk him into selling it
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Sway bar mounts were welded on the fisher body line, once a true Identity was known. I dont buy the story, without some verified paperwork.
Pontiac never did that with any other cars.. This is a piss poor reason. Could be a Ram Air Esprit... |
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I wonder if they are mistaking the supposedly smaller sway bars installed on some TA's in 1970?
I've never found a bulletin on it, but some have said theirs are the Formula size. But that doesn't make it missing altogether. That would be a serious mistake especially for the TA. Possibly used some replacement frames or from a regular Firebird? Wonder what size the front bar is?
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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i believe the most logical reason was an insufficientsupply of the TA rear bars, as this was an 11th hour change for the TA, and it's probable the supplier couldn't retool and keep up with demand... or something like that.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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FWIW on the smaller sway bars,...my one family owned Van Nuys 05D TA has the small (Formula) bars on both ends. Build Sheet still says F41 for Special Performance Suspension though.
The Blue RAIV TA is an older restoration and was done nicely, although not totally correct. I too was bidding on it at Worldwide, but based on what I knew, I thought the $150K paid there was close to right on market for how it presented. The current sellers may have "fluffed" it some, but I can't see $100K of "fluffing".
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Nothing special to add....just wanted to comment that it seems like a pretty nice car. Those second gen F body cars have great styling inside and out.
I think the cam sounds about right. Pretty much like my 68 L67 manual trans car (which would have had the same 041 cam). Curious if anyone knows about how much vacuum I should expect at idle with that cam? I see about 14 lbs at idle when warm. Is that about right? Here is a video if anyone is curious enough to see how it idles. https://youtu.be/lYc3jI-JA4M |
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