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Fire Rings
Why aren’t more drag racers using a fire ring for sealing their heads to the block on their boosted engines as opposed to a o-ring?
GTO George |
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Just speaking for myself- I do a lot of my engine machining on an old manual mill. I can be precise enough to cut O-ring grooves and receiver grooves, but could not be precise enough to align the head's fire-ring grooves with those in the block.
Perhaps this is a factor for other racers?
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Anybody else on this planet campaign a M/T hemi Pontiac for eleven seasons? ... or has built a record breaking DOHC hemi four cylinder Pontiac? ... or has driven a couple laps of Nuerburgring with Tri-Power Pontiac power?(back in 1967) ... or has a Pontiac born the same year as Jim Wangers? (1926} |
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I forgot most of the race car guys have left PY!
GTO George |
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Where did they all go? I thought I noticed less activity thought it was just the circumstances of closed race tracks & the Covid
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East Coast Mofia Guys all left, All of the "Old" Nostalgia Super Stock Guys (Joe Zajac, Larry Kauffman, Rick Johnson, etc left, All of the California Crew: Pete McCarthy, Wangers, etc left, Jim Butler left, David Butler and Rodney, never post, Palbykin left. Jim Brady, Eugene Riotte, Mark Schottler, Clay Phillips, etc from Missouri left.
DUE TO THE BS AND LACK OF A NEED TO SELL PARTS ON PY. Chris Casperson walked away, Steve Ames, passed. So you lost all of the "roots" of the PY Board. They moved on. With 205 posts, Darren 639, you would not have knowledge of the PY history. Tom V.
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GTO George |
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You have no idea what or who a racer is! Some of us (according to you) NON-RACERS know exponentiation more than you will ever know. It is people like you that have driven others away with your know it all BS. Stan
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GTO George |
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Stan, it will be interesting if the driver of the fastest Pontiac Engine Funny Car in history goes into
Road Racing in the future, if he no longer qualifies on the PY Board as a Racer on the PY Board. Would also apply to the Road Racer who is kicking Butt in Europe with his road race car doesn't qualify as a racer by the same definition: "A NON-RACER" LOL! Interesting question Stan. Tom V. I also am tired of seeing that Mike G (Engine machinist/builder) who machined/ build the Fastest Pontiac of all time is being insulted on the board (by comments like the ones above).
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Not everyone who is a racer, races 1/4 mile drags. Mickey Thompson (did also race 1/4 mile) with 4 Pontiac engines in Challenger 1 ran 406 MPH at Bonneville.
Stan
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GTO George |
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Soooooooo 12 post and not one on Fire Rings........I think we have some thread trolls!
GTO George |
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So how mean of the non Fire Ring posts are yours Mr Troll? Stan
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Stan, I offered a source for the good sealing rings below. Right in print that people have tried to use them in boosted applications with 10 fasteners. Poor at best for durability.
Why have a discussion on fire rings on heads with 10 fasteners when big power racers have already determined that they do not work well on blocks and heads with 10 bolts or studs. https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...or-fire-rings/ Gas rings from companies like Helicoflex work well. https://technetics.com/products/heli...esilient-seal/ I personally have bought many helicoflex sealing rings over the 14 years I was in research. The technology has been out there forever. Tom V.
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Here's ur 1 post.. |
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thread turned nasty way to fast --
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And that also a low power you might be able to go rounds at a race track. Rodney and Travis had more than 10 fasteners, Marty did not run head gaskets. If it leaked he just had less power that run. Maybe Eric and Mike or cgiese can post or others can post durability on their engine vs boost pressure. Tom V.
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One dead cylinder blowing alcohol everywhere but made a pass and won..we actually went 4.20's on 7..Lol Last edited by Scott Roberts; 02-13-2022 at 08:11 PM. |
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