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Interesting non-Pontiac engine going on the dyno next week.
Wasn't sure where to post this but I thought some of the "engine guys" might have a little interest in this one. Mods: feel free to move or remove if it doesn't belong here. Engine going on the dyno is a Studebaker V-8, a 289 Cu In engine. Belongs to one of my students. OE iron heads, some port work done. Up graded connecting rods. (pinch bolt small end removed to full floating) Paxton supercharger removed and upgraded to a Vortech supercharger. Carburetor replaced with Fitech EFI. Point ignition replaced with a full electronic ignition system. Should be interesting. I post this because much like our beloved Pontiacs, this is a "legacy engine". A very solid engine design with many good features. A nice block structure, good head design with fully machined combustion chambers, lots of head bolts, solid, strong lifter area. One downfall, IMO, is it was too small for the cars of the day. A 289 was the "big" Studebaker V-8! It needed another 100-125 Cu Inches to be a real player in the day. That's the reason they factory supercharged it. Should be a fun dyno session. (s) These Studebaker guys are just as dedicated to their engine as the Pontiac guys and flathead guys.
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interesting. did studebaker do anything special for a head gasket on those? factory vs new boost level? any hp expatations?
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What model car (or truck) will the engine go into?
I've always been fascinated by the Lark Daytona - a compact car that was available with the supercharged engine and a four speed transmission. |
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He had a pair of Cometics made for this engine. Very dedicated. I don't want to speculate HP and torque because this project is pretty unusual. We are going to start and break it in with a carburetor and no boost. Then swap intakes, and run the EFI and boost. Supercharger is capable of around 17 lbs. of boost according to owner. Factory Paxton supercharger around 6 PSI blowing through a small carburetor. This stuff is really fun for me. Nail biter for the owner. He has hundreds of hours in the package.
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Post some video! Looks like a fun project.
I remember the supercharged Study Golden Hawks and Avantis from back in the day. They were rare, but occasionally showed up at the drags.
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I will find out and let you know. I have 2 guys with Studebakers in the class. They probably have 8-10 cars/trucks between them. I am guessing an Avanti for this one but not sure. One of the guys just finished what they call the "big 6". Inline 6 going in a 30's model called the "Dictator". He also has a factory supercharged Lark Sport Wagon with the sliding roof. It is a very neat car.
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I will take some video when it's up and running. I will need some help from the "tech gurus" on here posting it. I have never been able to post video to the forum.
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This is the type of stuff that gets my interest. A different and very seldom seen engine . Love the angle on making it perform . Definitely following this thread …
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A YouTube video with a link is the way to go. Sounds cool, I love “different” stuff.
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Very interesting thanks for sharing. Looking for the video. I never got too involved with Studebaker some cool-looking cars....I always thought they used the Ford 289 in them!
Jim
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Many years ago I helped a Studebaker Racer, Ted Harbit.
Ted H competed in the Pure Stock Drags each year) He wanted to do a Turbo Blow thru carb set-up for the "Chicken hawk" Unfortunately Chicken hawk crashed and was totaled. Ted survived. Info on the car here. First I have heard of a Vortech Supercharged Studebaker. Info on Ted's Chicken Hawk: http://www.americantorque.com/page/0/144/ Twin Turbo with Blow-Thru Carbs. Before the crash the car could run 10.0 in the quarter. Tom V.
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What is " Static" CR on this engine? Sound like a real eye opener!
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I believe that the Twin Turbo engine that was crashed was no more than 8.75 to one with his higher boost pressure, but memory says it was 8.5 to 1. Tom V. Agree the engines were very well built engines.
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I will ask him Monday when the class meets again. This was a long term project because of COVID. He did the short block right before the shut downs in 2019. Then had to take a year off because he was very ill with the virus. In 2022, he couldn't get back in the class because it was full of tuition/degree seeking students. (Seniors can take the classes for free). So glad he is back in and looking forward to running it. I will interview him on specific details and post a little list next week. Cool that there is some interest in it.
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There is an R2 motor on my stand at the moment too! The plan is to dyno it for grins as well.
Curious what you did for rods. Mine has an "R2+" cam, the Isky grind.
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And to think it all started in 1858 when Wheelbarrow Johnny went west in search of gold and then went from building wheelbarrows to carriages back home in South Bend, then to building cars. Great story as told on Death Valley Days of John M. Studebaker and his most unusual life.
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The Fuhrer model name never made it to production.
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