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From the order sheet:
35S - 400 4bbl 35W - 455 4 bbl 35X - 455 SD So it appears they considered the TA hood for the Formula as a RAM AIR hood. (and probably included in the count of 1,478 RA Formula) The data Formulajones posted from the Red Book seems to be what the sheet shows except it didn't include the 455? (maybe they didn't know what 35W was, or possibly the W was for 'with'?)
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But I'm not saying that is correct, it's just what the book says and we all know that books over the years have discrepancies. |
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Looks like you have Canadian docs there listing WU3. I'd say you have yourself a 455 RA car.
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Those are PHS docs for a Canadian export car not GM of Canada Docs.
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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Yep you're right, one or the other like I mentioned before is what I'd want to see.
Are you still questioning the cars authenticity? |
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Dave if you ever want to compare a GM of Canada vs PHS packet, you should pop by;
For Canadian exports, the paperwork from PHS paperwork is a little different than if it was originally sold state-side - but when you compare the two packets, the GM Canada historical packet seems rather mickey mouse... As an example, an example order sheet is included with PHS but not GM-Canada... I have been lately posting not 100% accurate info because I am going totally from memory - but even if I was at home with the info I have collected handy, I wouldn't be able to cite ordering sheet info, because I only have access to 1970 & 1973 packets (The former I ordered for my brothers car, and gave to him when I gave him the car).
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Still thinking on the car at this time.
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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I don't know if that would be a deal breaker or not, depends on if it's priced right. But it still sounds like a pretty neat car. You could take it PS racing without worry of damage to the original block. Trying to look at the glass half full
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Nice looking car, Dave!
I couldn't help but notice the repro window sticker you posted. Please let me know, if you buy the car, if you would like a more accurate window sticker. I've corrected a lot of Canadian invoice window stickers lately for Pontiac show cars. Just an FYI - the Ram Air Hood and Engine Block Heater prices shown on that window sticker are dealer cost prices, not the correct retail prices. That's a VERY early Norwood build car, shipped out in August 1973. And yes, that is a Ram Air car.
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1959-1980 Pontiac Window Sticker Reproductions : http://www.pontiacwindowstickers.com My Bio: I am currently writing articles for POCI's Smoke Signals magazine and enjoy promoting and discussing the history of the Pontiac Motor Division. |
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Anyone care to offer an Internet appraisal and tell me what the car is worth in USD.
I am told that is the original 3.08 anti spin diff. Thanks
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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More pics
A few more pics for the Internet appraisers.
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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looks very nice.
Here's some of my critical knee-jerk thoughts; - Seat covers should probably be removed, and re-installed, they aren't sitting quite right. - rear dual speakers is not correct (only one speaker in rear dash available - the spare tire tucked up under where hte passenger side rear speaker sits) - steering wheel is wrong year; I am pretty sure I see a silver ring around the rim of the wheel which is 1969-1971, and 1972-1974 wheels used a centre section which had a metal insert - along with different horn buttons with matching metal covers. - radio is far from correct - I prefer a factory correct cross flow muffler behind the diff - mufflers in that location tend to scrape on the ground more often than you might care; the dynomax muffler sold for late model Grand Nationals is what I am running, I love it. All those points aside, it does look like a VERY nice car, and I'm sure most people could live with those modifications.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Mike, did the real window stickers show the option codes on it?
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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Wouldn't the alternator be the big one?
(80 amp) Car looks great, Dave. Minor stuff but they don't make these anymore.
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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John, not in 1974. The Options were in UPC order for 1974, and the Option Code was not displayed. In later years, Pontiac changed to an alphabetical order, based on a portion of the option code description.
On the 1974 example that oldsmobiledave posted, the area in the lower left (Routing Code data) should have been filled in too. Mike
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1959-1980 Pontiac Window Sticker Reproductions : http://www.pontiacwindowstickers.com My Bio: I am currently writing articles for POCI's Smoke Signals magazine and enjoy promoting and discussing the history of the Pontiac Motor Division. |
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hows this for an example vintage(?) 1974 Pontiac window sticker?
(and it's a Canadian one to boot!!)
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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... and since I mentioned that the pictured wheel was wrong, here's an example of a correct 1974 unit, in a 1974 GTO;
Notice the lack of a metal ring along the edge of the wheel(?); In it's place is a recess. Notice the metal insert on the centre of the wheel, and matched metal covers for the horn buttons? |
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Thanks
I appreciate all the input on this thread. Anyone care to tell me what it is worth?
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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