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red70goat · #41 04-04-2005, 02:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_GTO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by red70goat:
The GTO was an option on the 1974 Ventura. They did it before and will probably do it again in 07 on the G6. GM needs to shed a lot of it's lesser products from Chevy such as the Monte Carlo, etc and scrap some product lines such as Buick and Holden THEN revive the cars that made GM great. Start from the ground up, not from an existing product line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

GM waited 30 years to bring back the GTO on a proven RWD platform.

More like 17 months

THey aren't going to destroy the image..

They already have

It will either be it's own car in 2007/8 or there won't be one at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eventually as an option then phased out all together...just like 1974.

rabon008 · #42 04-04-2005, 09:47 PM

Did I miss those pics, whatza?

Jeff R · #43 04-04-2005, 11:28 PM

They were in invisible ink. See, you missed them again. I saw them though...they looked like a red '70 Goat, 3 speed, now serving fried rice...exit stage right, stage left even.

Mr_GTO · #44 04-05-2005, 02:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by red70goat:
More like 17 months

They already have

Eventually as an option then phased out all together...just like 1974. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong, where do you get 17 months from?

They have? Funny, I am sure they would have called a 1964 bland today. Ford designers have no imagination. Hell, I could design a new car to look like a old '67 GTO. Doesn't take any ability to do that. The new car has the best interior of any GM car made and is 3rd quickest GM car made today and is the quickest GTO ever made.

You do realize that the GTO was an option for 5 of the first 11 years of it's life right?

red70goat · #45 04-05-2005, 07:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_GTO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by red70goat:
More like 17 months

They already have

Eventually as an option then phased out all together...just like 1974. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong, where do you get 17 months from?

Forbes. "GM spent the next 17 months "developing" the Monaro into a GTO which basically meant taking a Sharpie and drawing a line down the middle of the grill". Lutz first announced it in New York in spring of 2002.

You do realize that the GTO was an option for 5 of the first 11 years of it's life right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't know it was for the first 5 years, but rather it becoming it's own model in '66. But what does that have to do with now? GM botched the GTO image once before and they are doing it now therefor relegating it to option material in 2007.

Mr_GTO · #46 04-05-2005, 08:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by red70goat:

I didn't know it was for the first 5 years, but rather it becoming it's own model in '66. But what does that have to do with now? GM botched the GTO image once before and they are doing it now therefor relegating it to option material in 2007. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't know a lot of anythign about any GTO's do you?

The GTO was an option on the LeMans/Tempest from 64/65 and then again from 72-74.

Your stupidity on the subject shows through in each post. There has NEVER EVER been a V6 GTO, and you keep saying there will be in 2007 and it is total BS.

Do us all a favor, post pictures of your "car" or leave this forum for the people that want to discuss the car that is the new GTO.

rabon008 · #47 04-05-2005, 08:25 AM

The basic body shape of the current GTO and Monaro sports coupes is based on a 1998 Holden concept car called the VT Coupe (pictured below - sorry its a cropped picture from Holden's site).

The VT Coupe was a concept of a sports coupe version of the VT Commodore platform (1997-2000) of which more than 300,000 were manufactured. Holden and GM in general knew they had something with the design of the VT Coupe. However, Holden would need support for the revival of the Monaro platform as an Australian BMW offset (which the Monaro clearly is). With GM ending the F-body platform in 2002 and Monaro's debut the same year, GTO was reborn.

The re-shaping and re-badging of a '64 Tempest/LeMans and the insertion of one of GM's most powerful engines was DeLorean's answer to the American craving for affordable, practical performance. Similarly, the re-shaping and re-badging of the 1998 VT Coupe concept into a re-introduction of an affordable, practical performance car again answers the American craving.

In any event, from concept in 1998 (based on a 1997 platform) to the production GTO in 2004 is a little more than 17 months, if my math is correct.

nickvarnalis · #48 04-05-2005, 09:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by red70goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nvarnalis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by red70goat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rabon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by red70goat:

I also said don't count on the 07 being on a Zeta platform but rather as a "GTO" option on the G6.

It just makes a lousy GTO

Therefor it's demise as a Pontiac GTO in 07. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong: still continued on Zeta platform, just not in US.

Perhaps as a GM Monaro, but not as a GTO

Wrong: Excluding the original Ferrari GTO, this car makes the best GTO ever in every category

All around it is a better car however not the fastest Pontiac VIN #'d GTO built to date: 1964 : 0-60 4.6 seconds / 2004: 5.3 seconds / 2005 : 4.8 seconds. 1/4 mile : 1964: 13.1 @ 115 mph / 2004 13.8 @ 103.8 / 2005 : 13.3 @107. Comparisons done on a 1964 348 hp, manual, tripower, 3.90 ratio. 2004: 350 hp ,manual/ 2005: 400 hp , manual, 400 hp. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL!!!!! I wouldn't count the 64 GTO with the ringer 421 a FACTORY STOCK GTO would you?

Neither would I. Where in there did I say anything about the 64 being outfitted with a 421? Read my post gain dipsh*t.

You don't really believe a Factory Stock 64 GTO trapped at 115mph do you? LOL!
(QUOTE]

CDs data, not mine. Take it up with them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

your such a tool.

rabon008 · #49 04-05-2005, 10:16 AM

Hey Nick, according to his numbers, your 13.3 1/4 must have been in an '05 or at least a modified '04. LOL!

Later this month I'll post numbers on my stock '05 and, based on how it feels on the street, if they aren't sub 13, it will be the first disappointment the new GTOs have given me.

red70goat · #50 04-05-2005, 02:31 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rabon:
Hey Nick, according to his numbers, your 13.3 1/4 must have been in an '05 or at least a modified '04. LOL!

Again, not my #'s, RTs.

red70goat · #51 04-05-2005, 02:55 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr_GTO:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by red70goat:

The GTO was an option on the LeMans/Tempest from 64/65 and then again from 72-74.

And I've said that how many times? BTW: 1974 it was an option on the Ventura, not LeMans.

There has NEVER EVER been a V6 GTO,
I never said there was.

and you keep saying there will be in 2007 and it is total BS.
Perhaps. I don't think so, particularly with rising fuel prices. The only V8s you'll see will be in high end sports cars and large trucks / suvs...better get your 2005 before when GM makes their announcement. No doubt you'll see some inflated prices afterwards.

rabon008 · #52 04-05-2005, 08:01 PM

In the short run (say, 10 years) you're wrong again, whatza. Consider that my '04 GTO gets the same mileage as my '04 GA SCT/GT (3.4 liter V6 - 175 HP). The new GTO won't be around forever but, considering the extensive work that Holden has done with the 7.0 liter alloy engine in the car, there will be a 7.0 liter Humbler edition before they discontinue the GTO.

KVman389 · #53 04-06-2005, 02:22 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr_GTO:

You do realize that the GTO was an option for 5 of the first 11 years of it's life right?

The GTO was an option on the LeMans/Tempest from 64/65 and then again from 72-74.

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Mr_GTO · #54 04-06-2005, 06:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KVman389:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr_GTO:

You do realize that the GTO was an option for 5 of the first 11 years of it's life right?

The GTO was an option on the LeMans/Tempest from 64/65 and then again from 72-74.

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</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

GTO Option: 64,65, 72, 73,and 74 On the Ventura. 5 years. GTO was in production from 64-74, that is 11 years. 64, 65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74.

KVman389 · #55 04-06-2005, 06:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_GTO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KVman389:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr_GTO:

You do realize that the GTO was an option for 5 of the first 11 years of it's life right?

The GTO was an option on the LeMans/Tempest from 64/65 and then again from 72-74.

UOTE]

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

GTO Option: 64,65, 72, 73,and 74 On the Ventura. 5 years. GTO was in production from 64-74, that is 11 years. 64, 65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I know, but you said 5 of the FIRST 11 years of its life

Mr_GTO · #56 04-07-2005, 02:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KVman389:

Yes I know, but you said 5 of the FIRST 11 years of its life </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right, the GTO was alive for 11 years before it died, then it came back to life in 2004. For 5 of the FIRST 11 years of it's life, it was an option package.

makcrag72 · #57 04-07-2005, 03:57 AM

rabon008 · #58 04-10-2005, 08:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by red70goat:
I don't think so, particularly with rising fuel prices. The only V8s you'll see will be in high end sports cars and large trucks / suvs...better get your 2005 before when GM makes their announcement. No doubt you'll see some inflated prices afterwards.[/b] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

New Grand Prix GXP - 303 HP 5.3 liter V8 (the first in a GP since 1987)

Bonneville GXP - also with a new V8 (don't know which engine but presumably the same as the GP)

Wrong again whatza.

The Champ · #59 04-10-2005, 08:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rabon:
Bonneville GXP - also with a new V8 (don't know which engine but presumably the same as the GP) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a 4.6 Liter, 275 HP Northstar V8.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rabon:
Wrong again whatza. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see nothing has changed since my last foray on this forum...

How one person can be proven wrong so many times and yet still live in denial is beyond comprehension...

But if you take his wacked out GTOisms for what they are (BS...

), then you just wait for the next time he sticks cranial computer up his rectal storage area...

rabon008 · #60 04-10-2005, 10:44 PM

Welcome back Champ. Believe it or not, it has actually improved around here. At least to a degree. Of course you're right about whatza.

Thanks for the info on the Bonneville engine. The Spring issue of Pontiac Performance had an article on the GP GXP so I knew it was a 5.3 but didn't have the Bonny info at hand.