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Goathead · #41 01-23-2004, 06:38 PM

Mr. Iron Horse, be easy on Mr_GTO...

http://www.dannys65gto.com

http://kurtspontiac.homestead.com/dannys65gto.html

The Champ · #42 01-23-2004, 06:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Brad B. Hilleband:
That's a very simple answer.

Originality and out of the box design and thinking.

This means NOT taking same old production stampings, adding a new interior a slapping a name plate on it and attempting to pass it off as something "new", "reto" or "muscle of yesterday".

We have many good examples of this type of thinking today from Chrysler. Cars like the Crossfire, Viper, Prowler and PT cruiser are all original designs and make a statement. One drives by and your head turns. That's the design I'm talking about.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm mainly focusing in on your praise of the PT Cruiser.

Have you driven one of these? Do you know what they really are?

I have had the misfortune of putting 1,000's of miles on one.

It is a Dodge Neon with a different body. It gets horrible gas mileage and is grossly underpowered. The interior layout is chintzy, and uncomfortable.

Yes, some people look at them and think they are "cute", but how "out of box" is just putting a different and heavier body on the cheapest car a manufacturer makes, and as a result have a much worse performing vehicle?

Is the styling of the new GTO exactly what I'd like?

No.

But at least it is a car that is true to it's heritage in being a V-8 RWD performance car.

I'm sure the styling will have some tweaks made to it, and we're already hearing of the 400 HP option for next year.

I'm looking forward to driving one when my area dealer gets his 6 speed car in.

My '64 GTO Convertible Webpage

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The '72 Camaro Page

Brad B. Hillebrand · #43 01-23-2004, 06:40 PM

Iron Horse, your comments are uncalled for so I have no intention of responding to comments like those. Talk without swear words, or is that too educated for you....sorry I forgot most likely have only 8 years of education. I'm not the one who should SHHHHH, but then again, I'm sure your told this all the time, right Iron something?

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

Mr_GTO · #44 01-23-2004, 06:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
Mr. Iron Horse, be easy on Mr_GTO...

http://kurtsplates.homestead.com/files/goathed.jpg

http://www.dannys65gto.com

http://kurtspontiac.homestead.com/da...></BLOCKQUOTE>

He was talking to Brad bright boy.

Brad B. Hillebrand · #45 01-23-2004, 06:50 PM

I don't happen to think th PT is a great car by any means. BUT, what I'm saying is the design was fresh and original and a lot of investment went into that car. It stood out and that's what I would expect GM designers would have done for the new "GTO"

"But at least it is a car that is true to it's heritage in being a V-8 RWD performance car"

The key word to this comment is "at least", this means that the car dosen't meet expectations right? That what I say as well but the engine dosen't do it justice or override it's lack of style. In my opinion, not true to its great heritage....

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

Mr_GTO · #46 01-23-2004, 06:57 PM

Brad, explain to me how the LS1 doesn't do the GTO justice. I want to hear that.

Brad B. Hillebrand · #47 01-23-2004, 07:03 PM

Mr_GTO, I started up a new post, thought this one was getting a little too long.....God, I love this place....

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

bonneville Joe · #48 01-23-2004, 07:53 PM

Barret Jackson guys just called it a Grand Prix. Nuff said....

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Nickv · #49 01-23-2004, 08:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>The retro truck is an original design. Both modern and old, combined. The looks are fantastic and that truck should sell very well. The GT40 originality is in it's drive line re-engineering, not so much body style. Lots of speeds and power. A combination of new and old. The Chrysler products hande the situation on both ends, new design and drive line. In either case, they stand out and are noticed.

The new "GTO" offers neither. No significant engine by todays standard or body shape/style. In both areas it fails which is why so many people complain about it.

In any event, justt my 2 cents. Some people like it and some don't and that's the way it is with everything. Then again, I never heard anyone say they hate the GT40, reto truck, Viper or Prowler...

O.K, just my 2 cents again....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SSR is NOT an ORIGINAL Design.

I don't see anything original design here at all.

Another original car design

1969 Ford Mustang

2005 Mustang. Very original cutting edge design

Which one would I rather have? Not the 2005 Mustang for sure.

"Everyone is entitled to be stupid sometimes, but you're abusing that privilege"

Brad B. Hillebrand · #50 01-23-2004, 08:51 PM

I think I said, an original design, both old and new. That means a combination of old and new, right? The GT40 design changes are in the driveline as I stated, not the style. Never mentioned the mustang.

But, those are cool pictures, I like all those cars even more now, expect the mustang.

Brad

"It's the last thing I'll ever say, I promise"

disc0monkey · #51 01-23-2004, 11:00 PM

i dont think people are judging the new gto badly because its made overseas...even people who dont know that says it looks like nothing special. IT IS NOTHING SPECIAL...EVERONE WAS LOOKING FOR A HEAD TURNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

disc0monkey · #52 01-23-2004, 11:03 PM

yes i like the ssr

disc0monkey · #53 01-23-2004, 11:05 PM

but i would take the gt40 then the 05 stang

disc0monkey · #54 01-23-2004, 11:06 PM

trust me its not easy for me to say i was never a ford guy but im getting forced into it...never mind i want a new m3 for my next car. u beat the **** out of it and they love it

The Champ · #55 01-24-2004, 07:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Brad B. Hilleband:
I don't happen to think th PT is a great car by any means. BUT, what I'm saying is the design was fresh and original and a lot of investment went into that car. It stood out and that's what I would expect GM designers would have done for the new "GTO"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So if a lot of investment went into producing a new GTO that was uniquely styled but was grossly underpowered, had a poorly executed interior, provided a terrible ride, and got terrible gas mileage, you'd buy one?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>"But at least it is a car that is true to it's heritage in being a V-8 RWD performance car"

The key word to this comment is "at least", this means that the car dosen't meet expectations right? That what I say as well but the engine dosen't do it justice or override it's lack of style. In my opinion, not true to its great heritage....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand by my quote that you used.

I never said the car was the sexiest looking car out there, but my '64 isn't either. They both are typical of the styling of their era's.

I can live with that.

You claim the engine doesn't do it justice.

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but how many cars can actually beat it on the strip right off the showroom floor?

Not too many.

And yes, I know there are a few out there, and some of them are hi-tech 4 bangers. But try putting that hi-tech 4 banger into a car the same size as the GTO and see what happens.

I don't want to drive a 4 cylinder whizbang machine. Those that do, please go buy them and enjoy them.

I happen to like the sound and torque of a V-8 motor.

Maybe I'm a dinosaur...

I still am very interested in driving the 2004.

And even more interested in the 6 liter 400HP 2005.

My '64 GTO Convertible Webpage

The '49 Caddy Limo Page

The '72 Camaro Page

Nickv · #56 01-24-2004, 07:28 AM

The new GTO was a smart move for Pontiac. Look at their entire lineup now and what is coming from them in the next few years. They are reclaiming their position at GM as the performance division for the masses.

It's to bad Lutz didn't come on board earlier.

"Everyone is entitled to be stupid sometimes, but you're abusing that privilege"

disc0monkey · #57 01-24-2004, 09:25 AM

were is DeLorean when u need him

disc0monkey · #58 01-24-2004, 09:25 AM

where is DeLorean when u need him

disc0monkey · #59 01-24-2004, 09:25 AM

where is DeLorean when u need him

disc0monkey · #60 01-24-2004, 09:28 AM

and on the PT cruiser the thing is built poorly and the styling made everyone buy one. once people realized that it wasnt good mechanically that stopped buying it but the fad made tons of sales for years for chrystler.