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#21
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Is the two-tone car Antique Gold?
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#22
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No, it's CR with a black roof and black buckets. M20 car with typical options, sold new in Minnesota.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
#23
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There's a gold one in whomever has the online registry. Now I know of two, though that seems marginally fewer than the 1970s that I know.
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#24
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how many ra4 cars are in your list?
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#25
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I have 22 RAIV judges and another 26 non Judges with RAIV
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
#26
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A bit of info about the first non pattern Judges by plant...
Atlanta... earliest shipping date of a non-pattern is Feb 28th, was also the lowest VIN 121XXX Baltimore... earliest shipping date is Jan 23rd, also lowest VIN 151XXX (actually two cars shipped same day) but both to Canada the next earliest is the infamous power antenna Judge Jan 28, another Canadian car the earliest US shipped car is Feb 14VIN 158XXX Framingham: Jan 27th 125XXX Arlington: earliest date is Feb 28th (141XXX) but a different car shipped in March has a lower VIN 135XXX (other cars with about the same VIN shipped feb 4th) Fremont: earliest date and VIN, Jan 31st, 115XXX So it looks like non pattern cars became available for shipment to Canada in the third week of January, then California the very end of January and then mid February for the rest of the US
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
#27
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There are several early non pattern judges from the California plant in very early february but none (other than Baltimore cars bound for Canada) from the other plants.
FYI, I didn't include the home plant because they only began A body production in mid April. Which is why the Baltimore plant by early May produced almost no GTO hardtops, just convertibles (The home plant only produced the hardtop version of the GTO during the 69 model year). Also, all Canadian convertibles were built in Baltimore and Canadian hardtops came from Baltimore and then Pontiac. The only plants that produced GTO's for overseas was Baltimore and Pontiac.
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
#28
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I’m more lost than ever trying determine how early is early that my judge was Made m Is it the third one? Seventeenth? Can anyone say where exactly in production numbers ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
#29
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aldiaz1959's build sheet has Jan 9th date.
Cowl tag 01B Shipped to zone codes 29 991 first. (which 'pattern Judges' would have been) The Navy Industrial Yard Building #2 is interesting possibly. (shipped to not charged to) Maybe an Overseas thing?
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#30
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I’m still confused . Does anyone know the order of production of the Judge . Was my judge the first pattern judge produced?
The first to come off the Framingham plant ? Does my judge any significant historic significance? I know it’s early but exactly how early? Thanks Al Diaz Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
#31
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Al, there is absolutely no way to determine which '69 Judge was first, 2nd, 3rd, etc. Pontiac built too many of them.
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#32
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HELP IDENTIFYING MY JUDGE
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Im very interested in the data youve acquired over what would appear to be a long time and lots of hours of work. Based on what I am reading from this thread, if i gave you information off of my PHS, would you be able to determine if my Judge is a pattern Judge? |
#33
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Based on all of the great information here on this thread...if i provide a copy of my PHS order sheet...would one or some of you be able to determine what I actually have?
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#34
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If you post the Invoice it can be determined .
The build date from the trim tag helps too. First glance is to check your dealer order number on your Invoice (looking for 000xx) This applies to about 99% of Patterns Second glance would be a build date between 01B and 02B another 99%'er Third glance would be the standardized option content only a few variances on overall content regarding the Pattern cars |
#35
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Ahhh, ok. My Judge is an 02D. with the end of the VIN being A122092. DON is 63128. Identification Number PAA555275
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#36
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Here is my invoice
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#37
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If yours is a 3spd Manual or 4spd Manual -
see if it has the exact same options as this Pattern example (from Atlanta plant) built very close to yours. Built before (2C) - but invoiced after (562177) It could be a "close copy" or "copy" to a Pattern In most normal cases, the Patterns -Invoice #- will start with a Z. Where yours starts with a P ** It can still be very useful for you to share your Invoice - North could add to his data base Wallace is always looking for additional Selling Dealer data for his public data base of Dealer Name / Dealer ID # |
#38
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Thanks for sharing your Invoice with us.
Don't see too many Judge's with Vinyl Top, so North will like adding that one to his data base - if he doesn't already have it. It's definitely not a Pattern Car But has nice equipment on it for sure. And Welcome to the PY Forum |
#39
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Mine is a 4spd, M-20 car.
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#40
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Yeah, the cordova tops arent too common. I wonder where mine falls in the history of the Judge as being an earlier factory cordova Judge.
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