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350 or 455?
Looking for opinions . I have a 66 project Goat that nds a motor, came across 2 and can't decide what one to go with this is a back burner kinda driver project, both are Pontiac's one is a 68 350 bored 30 cam a little head work with a edelbrock intake probably 10k on it. Other is a 73 455 with a stock rebuild 15-20k on it. The 350 comes with all the accessory pulleys, alt etc. that I nd 455 is just motor.
Both run good $1200 apiece. My car is a m22 with 3.55's I'm leaning towards the 350 thoughts? |
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You can't install a smaller engine than what the car came with originally.
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At some point, it’ll be a front burner project, either for you or someone else. 455.
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frittering and wasting the hours in an off hand way.... 1969 GTO, 455ci, 230/236 Pontiac Dude's "Butcher Special" Comp hyd roller cam with Crower HIPPO solid roller lifters, Q-jet, Edelbrock P4B-QJ, Doug's headers, ported 6X-8 (97cc) heads, TKO600, 3.73 geared Eaton Tru-Trac 8.5", hydroboost, rear disc brakes......and my greatest mechanical feat....a new heater core. |
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Am I correct in thinking hp would be close on both. Seeing as the 350 is built a little compared to the stock 455?
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A 350 can be made to run pretty strong, BUT I would never put one in a real GTO. For me it would have to be a 389 or larger. I think most GTO enthusiasts would feel the same way.
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455. There getting harder to find making them more valuable so it likely add value to the car if resold.
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455. When it comes down to it they cost about the same to build. You can probably knock the guy down a little on the 455 since it’s missing parts. You’ll thank yourself later for the 100 extra cubic inches later. Power wise the 455 has more potential per $$$ and will be more fun on the street with the torque it makes effortlessly.
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1967 GTO, 432 (428+.030), 4-bolt mains, factory Nodular crank, scat rods, icon dished pistons, Lunati HR 243/251@.050, .618/.622 lift, Edelbrock 72cc round port heads, 10.5:1, offy 2-4 intake, Edelbrock 650cfm carbs, Super T10 trans (2.64 first), BOP 10 bolt w/ Eaton posi and 3.36 gears |
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Yes, horsepower may be about the same. However, horsepower is just a calculated figure: torqueXRPM/5252. Torque is real and that's what moves the car. You will be down 40% with that wimpy 350 vs a 455. Torque is what made Pontiac special and not just a much prettier Chevy. Also, as mentioned, a 350 engine in a real GTO would move it into the "not interested" zone at sale time for many Pontiac people.
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Well I'm listening glad I posted the question I was talking myself into the 350 but really thought the 455 was the way to go.. I was told it was a 71 455 but when I checked it out it was a 73 YC with 4 X heads and stock intake. Not sure of internals and that kinda turned me off. I had a better idea what was in the 350. What's the chances the crank is drilled in the 455 for pilot shaft bushing.
Thanks for all the replies. |
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455 fo sho!!!
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Even if it is a stock motor I would go with the 455.
Interestingly enough- I was in the same boat. I have a 66 GTO I am building and the motor was pretty worn and was mixing oil and water. I didn’t want to build a new motor, but after seeing how worn the motor was it was going to need to be replaced. I picked up a strong 350 that dynod 275 at the wheels in a 73 Firebird. The motor in the car had already been bored .60 over. After asking for lots of advice, it was pretty obvious that I was better off building a spare 400 I had over using the built 350. The 400is at the machine shop now getting a pretty much stock rebuild with a Tri-Power cam. |
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If your going to sue the M22 you will forsure want the 455.Tom
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My 350P ran great. Buy them both lol. 350's are great for backup while you're building something. |
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Good call. I have two running 350’s on stand by. I think I paid $300 for the last one.
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There's no replacement for DISPLACEMENT.
455.
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- Mike '69 Firebird 400 - Goldenrod Yellow, 455 +.060, '6s-7' heads, Comp Cam 276AH-10 (51-309-4), TH400, Ford 9-inch w/3.08, 800cfm Q-jet, Stock Intake, Hooker Headers, Flowmasters '68 Coronet 500 Convertible - Medium Gold Metallic, stock 318 +100,000 miles |
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Bummer on the crank not being drilled. Okay I'm going to go with the 455!!!!
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It might be but you won’t know for sure until you measure it or try to drop a bearing or bushing into it. As meantioned; if it’s not already turned to size you can just turn a bushing down to fit.
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1967 GTO, 432 (428+.030), 4-bolt mains, factory Nodular crank, scat rods, icon dished pistons, Lunati HR 243/251@.050, .618/.622 lift, Edelbrock 72cc round port heads, 10.5:1, offy 2-4 intake, Edelbrock 650cfm carbs, Super T10 trans (2.64 first), BOP 10 bolt w/ Eaton posi and 3.36 gears |
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350’s generally can not be given away...
455 is only choice, hope it works out for you!!! Might offer the seller, maybe $100.00 for the pulleys and brackets off the 350.
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1977 Black Trans Am 180 HP Auto, essentially base model T/A. I'm the original owner, purchased May 7, 1977. Shut it off Shut it off Buddy, I just shut your Prius down... |
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After all the 455 and 400 engines are gone we’ll all be running 350s.
Fortunately that day hasn’t arrived yet.
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Assuming any are left, Bart. 350Ps get scrapped at an alarming rate.
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