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Default 1977 Firebird Esprit decoding Tag

Hey guys,

Is anybody able to decode my Firebird tag ?
Thx a lot !
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I started typing this by memory, then I played it safe by getting my February 1995 issue of HPP;

line 1: BODY BY FISHER
(self explanitory)

line 2: ST77 2F87 N 186112BDY
ST77 = 1977 model year
2F87 = Firebird coupe
N = Norwood Ohio assembly plant
186112BDY = sequential body number; this is according to my info almost a useless number as it has no correlation to anything other than other sequential builds from the same time

line 3: TR 24B A51 22L 22UPNT
TR = trim callout
24B = I believe this indicated a blue velour interior
A51 = seat location (useless)
22L = Glacier Blue lower paint
22U = Glacier blue upper paint (if this was a different code, it would have indicated a vinyl roof)
PNT = (self explanitory)

line 4: 03E A31 W67 BUE
03E = build date; fifth week of March
A31 = (unknown)
W67 = model callout; Esprit
BUE = possibly a dash and console colour callout

line 5: 450390
(not deciphered as of yet)

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A31 = power windows

450390 looks like a general assembly (final line) sequence number.

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Correct.

The A51 is for bucket seats.


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A31 = power windows

450390 looks like a general assembly (final line) sequence number.

K
That was my gut reaction, but according to the HPP article, that's on all 1977 Firebirds, and when that article was printed, it was listed as "unknown".

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Thx a lot gentlemen .. thx for looking.
So all appears original to the car minus the formula kit (I mounted)
It’s a California Esprit with 5.7 olds / Th350 / AC / PW Tilt column
Glacier blue

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That was my gut reaction, but according to the HPP article, that's on all 1977 Firebirds, and when that article was printed, it was listed as "unknown".
Agree. I think we've learned a lot since 1995.

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I'm not sue how often a Norwood car was built for California, maybe the location never mattered, order placed and either got it.

Often the mention of interior colour at the end of the plate refers to steering column or similar, since on most other vehicle (pre-79) these were black regardless of interior colour, which was often handled by Fisher anyway. Esprit was one model that had matching colour for column/wheel.

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