[chiphead]

OK, dashboard confessional. I'm getting sick of working on this Lemans. What are '67 Lemans project cars going for? Not a rust bucket but needs a lot of work to finish.

Last on road in 2014, clean title. Bucket seats, console shift auto. No motor/tranny. Car is in sandable primer over epoxy. disc brakes and 9" rear end. New suspension. Front clip and doors are rust free. Needs pass floorpan, maybe rear floorpan patch, trunk pan, firewall patch. Wiring shot. Frame has repaired collision damage from a wreck 25+ years ago but drove straight.

What's a range for value?

[gtokid1968]

Can you post some pics?
That would be helpful.
Is the 9'' complete? What gear is it a Posi?

[JLMounce]

I don't know what it's worth, but I can tell you what I'd pay for such a car. Without any drivetrain and still a lot to be done with suspect frame, I wouldn't go more than maybe 2K depending on what condition the completed work is in and what types of parts are on it.

In truth, I'd probably look at a total basket case before I looked at a project in this state and that simply comes down to not knowing the who, when and skill behind what's already been done. If I pick a pile from a yard, at least I know for sure I've got to do everything. I'd be hard pressed to pay a premium for partially completed work that may or may not have to be redone anyway.

If it were me, in your position, I'd put it on Bringatrailer.com without reserve and let it go for what it goes for. Chock up the loss to a learning experience and get yourself you can go have fun with, without the rebuild headache.

[Half-Inch Stud]

Worth more in parts.
Sell as a car is the Right thing to do, There is hidden costs and time to parting out.
Worth least in scrap weight; $300

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by chiphead

Not a rust bucket but needs a lot of work to finish.

Originally Posted by chiphead

Needs pass floorpan, maybe rear floorpan patch, trunk pan, firewall patch. Wiring shot. Frame has repaired collision damage from a wreck 25+ years ago but drove straight.

Dear freakin' god if this doesn't sound like every other Craigslist ad.

I can't believe I even read that in the same post.

[61-63]

I sold a '65 Tempest 2 dr post roller a couple of years ago that was in better shape that your car for $700 I think it was.

[PontiacJim1959]

Agree that a "project car" can be a tough sell and what is included is not really adding to the value. The Craigslist here in our area seems to price these type rollers at a very overpriced amount, as do ANY Pontiac parts. So it is hard to really put a price on it because it could go for $4k or $900.00 depending on area and what resources the next buyer has and is looking to do with the car. If it has to go to a shop to get all the sheet metal worked, the next owner will be making a big investment whereas if the next owner can do his own metal work, then there is a big savings and the car becomes more saleable.

No engine & trans leaves it open to a most likely LS swap in todays market. For all the money that could be spent to get it completed, it would almost be better to buy a car already done - turn key.

If me, I might say your best bet would be to haul it up to the Charlotte Auto Fair and take a chance there. Prices seem to be high on most all things, but they do sell. The Spring show is cancelled, but maybe the Fall show. You could also consider the "Steel In Motion" drags at Union County Dragway coming up May 14-15 (according to Facebook). This is all old school straight axle drags and 1972 and older cars. They have a swap meet and if you could haul it there, maybe a racer might see the potential.

[dmac]

Originally Posted by chiphead

OK, dashboard confessional. I'm getting sick of working on this Lemans. What are '67 Lemans project cars going for? Not a rust bucket but needs a lot of work to finish.

Last on road in 2014, clean title. Bucket seats, console shift auto. No motor/tranny. Car is in sandable primer over epoxy. disc brakes and 9" rear end. New suspension. Front clip and doors are rust free. Needs pass floorpan, maybe rear floorpan patch, trunk pan, firewall patch. Wiring shot. Frame has repaired collision damage from a wreck 25+ years ago but drove straight.

What's a range for value?

In California, it might be worth $5-6000 or even more due to the pre 1975 cars never needing to pass smog tests and there are so few of them.. The difference between a 1975 model and a 1976 model of the same car can be thousands, and pre1976 vehicles are ALWAYS more desirable. Same car in oregon might be worth 1/2 as much because classic cars dating to even the 80s basically double or triple the number of 'old' cars to choose from.

[Jay S]

It probably depends a lot on the region your in. In the midwest where I am at the rust issues described are what we expect to see on a 66 or 67. If there were no suspension up grades, it was setting in a pasture somewhere and hadn’t been drove for 30 years $700. Driven in the last 5 years you can double that. With the 9” and front end upgrades as a roller $2500-$3000 without even seeing the car.

I did a thread on the PSP site you can scroll thru and see some similar Pontiac cars for sale in my area in the last year.

https://psp.pontiacstreetperformance...c.php?f=5&t=28

[Chief of the 60's]

And one can wish in one hand and chit in the other.

Just because PT Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute", doesn't mean there actually is.

[GTOnly70]

Originally Posted by dmac

In California, it might be worth $5-6000 or even more due to the pre 1975 cars never needing to pass smog tests and there are so few of them.. The difference between a 1975 model and a 1976 model of the same car can be thousands, and pre1976 vehicles are ALWAYS more desirable. Same car in oregon might be worth 1/2 as much because classic cars dating to even the 80s basically double or triple the number of 'old' cars to choose from.

Jesus, get real. The car as described isn't bringing $5-6k in California or on any other planet for that matter.

[ErikW]

Sell the Nine inch and slap any rear under it and sell the roller for 1000 - 1500. You'll make more money

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by ErikW

Sell the Nine inch and slap any rear under it and sell the roller for 1000 - 1500. You'll make more money

That is actually solid advise.

A 9" already set up for a GM "A" body will sell well and fast.

[chiphead]

Thanks for the reality check. I guess the support group meets next week.

It just seems like the '65-67 project cars I see on the net look worse that what my car is now. I've had the car for 20 years, and it was on the road and the dragstrip as a ratrod until it ate the cam in 2014. I pulled it apart for a more thorough upgrade. I cut it down to the bare metal, welded all the trim holes closed, beat the car straight and primed/mudded/primed/2K sanded the whole thing. But life happens.

I'm moving across town and losing storage space. So the car has either got to be hidden in the garage until I build a detached garage or sold.

What I've learned here is that the car needs to be in one piece if I'm going to sell it or move it. I've got the front clip off, so I'll need to put back together so it looks like a car. Who sells the most complete front-end fastener kits? I need bolts for header panel, front fenders, inner fenders, cowl vent.

[mrennie]

Who sells the most complete front-end fastener kits? I need bolts for header panel, front fenders, inner fenders, cowl vent.

Try AMK Products. They usually have the most complete and accurate kits.

https://www.amkproducts.com/master-k...s&element=Body

[Sirrotica]

I remember when the Stan Antlocer, SD 421 Tempest first showed up on PY, how many people said it was a rusted out POS that was only had scrapyard worth.

People outside of the rust belt fail to see any value of cars that have lived their lives in the rust belt. The sheet metal on these cars had holes clear through them at 5 years. After ten years at least the floors were swiss cheese, along with the quarter panels behind the rear wheels. At over 50 years old the OPs car really isn't that bad.

I remember as a kid seeing old ford model As pulled out of fields, that had nothing but rusty patina top to bottom, no floors, because they were originally made of wood. Lots of them were resurrected and put back on the roads as hot rods.

The OPs car isn't that bad, when you've seen much worse examples resurrected in person. Yes, it's a lot of work, but labor exchange, is what makes it a viable project for the people that don't have money falling out of their pockets. My newest car is a 2008 Vibe with 310,000 miles on it, sweat equity is what allows me to drive cars, and trucks back to 1984. Plus a refusal to drive any cars that didn't come from Pontiac.

Current stable:

1984 GP current project
1988 IH S1600 wrecker (former U Haul box truck) 220,000 miles 7.3 IDI NA diesel
1993 K3500 stake body 270,000 miles, Detroit diesel power
1995 C3500HD box truck 252,000, Detroit diesel power
1999 GP SE (lowest mileage) 119,000 miles)
2005 GTO 140,000 miles
2008 Vibe 310,000 miles

I'd say $3000, plus, or minus, would be a fair value, considering the 9 inch already installed.

I've been on the lookout for 9 inch full floater rear axle for my 84 GP project, they aren't cheap, new or used.

A quick look on CL, or Marketplace shows rusted out 88-98 rusty, non running, incomplete, wrecked, chevy trucks bring usually a minimum of $1500. Many times they have no titles either, so they aren't ever going to be driven without titles.

[chiphead]

Does anybody have a clear diagram showing what fastener goes where on the front sheetmetal?

I've got the full AMK kit, but even it doesn't seem to be completely correct. I need to see the attachment points between the fender and the wheelhouse/fender extension. There are several different bolt lengths and types and I can't make out what goes where.

Are all the fasteners that hold the fender to the wheelhouse the coarse thread type?

*mods feel free to move to body section if more appropriate*

[Chris65LeMans]

Originally Posted by GTOnly70

Jesus, get real. The car as described isn't bringing $5-6k in California or on any other planet for that matter.

Yeah - that’s not true about California. ‘60’s cars are probably more common out here.

As for the OP - a running car will always bring more. I think that “just a LeMans” isn’t special enough to sell a car that needs everything.

[68WarDog]

With the suspension upgrades as described, I would detach the body from the frame
Sell the rolling chassis for 3-3500. JMO

[Chief of the 60's]

Originally Posted by 68WarDog

With the suspension upgrades as described, I would detach the body from the frame
Sell the rolling chassis for 3-3500. JMO

Hard sell

95% of the people won't go through the trouble of swapping the chassis. Even if it were a 1000 bucks.