[Pontirag]

fremont, buckets and a console

I read somewhere ther was a shortage of hurst logo shifters so the priority was that logo shifters went in GTO's until supplies stabalised.

[War eagle]

Lots of great info comin in. Finding the right shifter seems quite a bit clearer. I gathered the info here and some emails that I received and I think for now this is the truest and best ID for the 1964 4sp bench seat shifter.

1)Use the 1966 3 or 4 speed illustration for the shape of the handle. Not the 64.
2)The number at the base of the handle, if present, is 2316, and on the body 2476. Although not on the shifter, the part number for Lever and Bracket, control, with full front seat is 9774366.
3)Competion Plus on body.
4)Nothing written on handle. No Hurst stamp

1)For the 4sp bucket seat shifter, the MPC illustration is correct for 64.
2)Again the number at the base of the handle if present, is 2315, and on the body 2479. The original part number of the Lever and Bracket is 9774367.
3)Competion Plus on body.
4)No Hurst stamp on handle.

The mounting adapter for both, called "Support" is 9776403 and actually is cast on the thing.


I decided to take this one step further and look at the 3sp shifter. Also Hurst but is stamped Hurst Mystery shifter, patent pending. M/S. Nothing stamped on the lower handle or upper portion. No Hurst on handle. The body is stamped 2381. The original Pontiac part number of the Lever and Bracket w/console with buckets, 9775418. Here`s where there is more Mystery Shifter, pardon the pun starts. Where is the Lever and Brkt control, 3sp with full bench seat? Nope not listed in the 1963 MPC with 4.004 revised page 7-1-64. Nor does it appear in the 66 MPC. So no 1964 3sp Tempest bench seat shifters? No picture like the 4sp illustrations showing the bench and bucket styles. Just the bucket seat style. There should be one radically curved like the 4sp bench.

John V. thanks for the re-label of my dream car Tempest HO 4dr wagon. Now and for ever HO will only mean Horrendously Overrated. hee

[John V.]

60sstuff, your log solves the mystery of the GTO totals, or at least helps to explain it.

The date is 7/1/64. '64 Engines continued to be assembled thruout July, so there is a whole month of production "missing" from the log.

Pontirag, sounds plausible. I wonder though if there are enough 4 spd '65 Lemans' out there to determine if they normally got the Hurst logo shifter or not? I know the '66 MPC shows all T/8s were serviced with the same Lever, undoubtedly the Hurst logo Lever, but still would be interesting to collect some data from known original cars.

War eagle, very good stuff.

I'll throw this in the mix.

My '64 GTO was fairly early, late Nov. '63 Fremont build. I'm not the original owner so can only assume my shifter is original. Car was equipped with Console but I don't think that mattered in '64. My shifter is unrestored, original grimy condition by appearance.

My Lever does not have a Hurst p/n stamped on it, no 2315 or any other marking.

The Body does not have Hurst p/n 2479 stamped on it unless I'm not looking in the right place.

On the Body it is stamped:

HURST
COMPETITION/PLUS
PATENT PENDING

The "/" is not a typo.

The set of shift levers do have Hurst p/ns, 2512, 2513, and 2514.

I vaguely recall learning that on later '64 bucket seat shifters instead of Patent Pending, an actual Patent No. is stamped.

Here's some clues to the "missing" '64 3 spd bench seat floor shifter. I do believe it existed, though I'm not sure how it could be ordered. I'm 90% sure that a couple years ago somebody here came across a '64 Tempest of some sort with a 3 spd floor shifter and bench seat (might have been another wagon) and posted about it.

Check your MPC in Gr. 4.006. In the '66 MPC, the '64 application is not indicated.

But the p/n for the '65/'66 floor shifter lever with bench seat is 9775834.

This p/n was issued (and I assume released) prior to the start of '64 production.

Then check Gr. 4.010.

This time the Bracket (Body if you prefer) does show the application as '64-'66 and the p/n is 9775833.

The consecutively issued p/ns are certainly not coincidental.

The "problem" is that I have never seen any obvious indication that a 3 spd Floor Shifter could be separately ordered on the '64 or '65 Order Forms. I have never seen a '64 All Series Special Equipment Order Form, but there is no apparent 3 spd floor shifter option listed on the '65 ASSE Order Form.

But here's a possibility.

There is an option on the regular Order Form for both '64 and '65 where you checked off the optional transmissions. In the list is the "3 SPEED SYNCHOMESH". If the 3 spd manual trans was standard equipment, why would you have to check off an option for it? So I'm thinking if you checked this box, you got an optional 3 spd with Floor Shifter regardless of whether you got buckets or bench.

It is ambiguous in the Inspector's Guide because the optional 3 spd trans is described for use with the 326 w/ Console Floor Shift and GTO All-Floor Shift. Console only available with Buckets and the GTO package included the 3 spd with floor shifter and since it was Lemans based, always with Buckets. Actually not always, at least one '64 GTO was special ordered with bench seat although it was an auto trans GTO and got the column shifter (auto trans floor shifter only available with Console).

Although the '64 3 spd Lever & Bracket Assy for bench seat is not listed in the MPC, the parts did exist in '64 and I think there is evidence that cars were produced.

One last thing, you shouldn't confuse the '65 HD 3 spd with the '64 3 spd. The '65 HD 3 spd was a Dearborn trans. Not sure what the '64 MPC shows, the '66 MPC lists a superseding '65 p/n for the '64 3 spd trans with floor shift. I believe the original '64 p/n for this trans should be 9775158.

[mfd64gto]

I found it very interesting to read the engine and car production figures. I received my information package from PHS back in 2002 and didn't receive these reports. Mine is a '64 GTO Sports Coupe(2227), Pontiac built, 11C, Tri-Power, 4-speed. I've seen one older, a 10B tuned by Royal Pontiac. Thanks, Mike

Originally Posted by gtoric

Here are some production figures for 1964 A-body style:

Tempest 2-dr cpe (2027) 21,765 total -- 17,169 w/215; 4,596 w/326
Tempest 4-dr sdn (2069) 19,427 total -- 15,516 w/215; 3,911 w/326
Tempest 4-dr wgn (2035) 6,834 total -- 4,597 w/215; 2,237 w/326
Total = 48,026

Tempest Custom 2-dr cpe (2127) 25,833 total -- 12,598 w/215; 13,235 w/326
Tempest Custom 2-dr cvt (2167) 7,987 total -- 4,465 w/215; 3,522 w/326
Tempest Custom 4-dr sdn (2169) 29,948 total -- 15,851 w/215; 14,097 w/326
Tempest Custom 4-dr wgn (2135) 10,696 total -- 4,254 w/215; 6,442 w/326
Total = 74,464

LeMans 2-dr sdn (2227) 31,317 total -- 11,136 w/215; 20,181 w/326
LeMans 2-dr htp (2237) 31,310 total -- 7,409 w/215; 23,901 w/326
LeMans 2-dr cvt (2267) 17,559 total -- 5,786 w/215; 11,773 w/326
Total = 80,186

LeMans GTO 30,187 total

202,676
232,863 w/GTO

[War eagle]

Originally Posted by War eagle

How many produced? How many 6cyl and 8cyl. There seems to be a gap in real info on these plainer models when trying to determine even the simple things. Like is there a 326HO out there in a Tempest, maybe 4dr, maybe wagon, maybe convert? That bench seat shifter I am looking for, as an example of poor info, has been responded to with all sorts of shapes, designs and claims. The MPC shows a much different shape for the bench style, than what has been presented. In fact, the numbers on the handles seem to match other brand applications. If anyone has an untouched 4sp car, get us some info please. Also muncie or saginaw and 6 or 8. I guess if there might be the rarest 64 car out threre, it could be a 4dr. HO, 4sp. !!!!(No radio)

Rebooting this thread and hoping someone has uncovered a 1964 tempest with a bench seat and 3sp floor shifted car since the original post. Please checkout the posts in the thread. I have recently spoke with Mr. Serio and he has not seen the shifter. 65 and 66 are in abundance and have a part number in the parts catalog, but not for a 1964.
However since the original post these details have surfaced.
This could be the trans part number as it is one of 2 with the extension. The "extension" indicates provision for shifter mount and has the bolt holes.
64 T/6 3sp ST with console and extension. 9775156 (This can of worms could include a special order tempest or Lemans)
64 T/6 T/8 3sp ST spacer lever to brkt to extension with console 538733

You can peruse the trans sections of the 1964 MPC and see many parts associated with the bench floor shifted 3sp. But no part number for the shifter.
One other item is page 7-9, figure 7-10 drawing from the 1964 Chassis Repair manual, showing the lever and brkt assy with full front seat and of course the more common lever and brkt assy with bucket seats.

Also of interest are 60sstuff 1964 logs and trans used during production (partial). His comments are about 6 posts before this post. Oddly the 9775156 transmissions is not listed but of course would be very rare.

So anyone out there found the 64 bench 3peed floor shifted trans shifter? By the way, it should be a hurst mystery shifter with the double curved handle if its out there.