[Gen2guy]

I got my PHS docs today for my 78 TA and reading down through the dealer invoice I noticed a couple of things were not on there. I didn't see anything for the trans auto or manual, mine is a 4-speed and does have the car VIN. on the trans but no MM4 option code on the invoice. I also didn't see anything for the Hurst Hatches and no WY9 option code on the invoice. I did see the W72 code on the invoice and I do have the car VIN. on my WC block which was the main thing I wanted to see on the invoice, but why wouldn't the other two items be on the invoice? Would they be on the window sticker I didn't order that. Any ideas thanks in advance.

[John Milner]

I just got one for my 78 w72 4 speed car earlier this week. I researched a little and I don't think the invoice will show as much as the original build sheet would. I'm not sure why they didn't detail things more on the dealer invoice. My 4 speed option and T-tops were not listed either. Maybe they were no extra cost options and were just not listed on the invoice? I'm not 100% sure.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by John Milner

I just got one for my 78 w72 4 speed car earlier this week. I researched a little and I don't think the invoice will show as much as the original build sheet would. I'm not sure why they didn't detail things more on the dealer invoice. My 4 speed option and T-tops were not listed either. Maybe they were no extra cost options and were just not listed on the invoice? I'm not 100% sure.

Ok thanks John hopefully some others will chime in and give us both answers. I so far haven't found a build sheet for the new project car.

[Aus78Formula]

Originally Posted by John Milner

My 4 speed option and T-tops were not listed either. Maybe they were no extra cost options and were just not listed on the invoice?

Depending when your car was built or ordered with W72, the Auto may have already been dropped leaving no other option for it but the manual listed.

[johnta1]

Maybe they were no extra cost options and were just not listed on the invoice? I'm not 100% sure.

PHS generally doesn't show the no extra cost items on it.

A buildsheet would show all options even no cost ones.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by johnta1

PHS generally doesn't show the no extra cost items on it.

A buildsheet would show all options even no cost ones.

Ok John so a TA going down the line designated to be a 4-speed and T-Top car to be bought for say dealer inventory and not ordered by a customer would look like my invoice does. Then the build sheet would show it because the auto workers would have to of known how the car was to be built. So would it be right to say that a number of cars were drop shipped from the plant to Hurst for the T-Top conversion and then on to the dealership? I've had no luck with a build sheet so far the interior has already been out of this car and reinstalled unlike the yellow 77 I sold. Thanks

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by Aus78Formula

Depending when your car was built or ordered with W72, the Auto may have already been dropped leaving no other option for it but the manual listed.

I thought about that Aus but mine was built when you could still get either one. Thanks

[johnta1]

So would it be right to say that a number of cars were drop shipped from the plant to Hurst for the T-Top conversion and then on to the dealership?

Can you post your PHS? Easier to explain when looking at it.

If it was sent to Hurst there is usually another Dealer code/zone on it, which represents Hurst.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Can you post your PHS? Easier to explain when looking at it.

If it was sent to Hurst there is usually another Dealer code/zone on it, which represents Hurst.

Ok sure will John when I get home this afternoon thanks.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Can you post your PHS? Easier to explain when looking at it.

If it was sent to Hurst there is usually another Dealer code/zone on it, which represents Hurst.

Here you go John. I've tried several times to get the pic to rotate and then to repost I can't get it done.

[Held for Ransom]

Search under the front seats for a build sheet.

[johnta1]

Thanks for the PHS.

I don't see where it was sent to Hurst.
The PHS forms are different than from the earlier ones.
Possibly 2 PHS' or invoices were created with this being the final one.

Possibly the T-tops were dealer installed?

Is the rear a disc brake one?
Hopefully you can find the build sheet.

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by Aus78Formula

Depending when your car was built or ordered with W72, the Auto may have already been dropped leaving no other option for it but the manual listed.

Little over 20 years ago, i parted a fairly late built '78 Y88 W72/auto that was fairly rusty. The 6X-4's off of that X7 engine were cast in April of '78. From that particular car, IF the X7 engine was discontinued, it had to be very late in the production run.

Hope Rocky chimes in. Need someone who has had access to all the '78 Sales Bulletins to
derive when the 78 W72 400 orders were no longer being taken, & when builds with either engine ceased.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom

Search under the front seats for a build sheet.

Thanks Held for rotating that for me, yes I peeked and nothing under any of the seats or carpet.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Thanks for the PHS.

I don't see where it was sent to Hurst.
The PHS forms are different than from the earlier ones.
Possibly 2 PHS' or invoices were created with this being the final one.

Possibly the T-tops were dealer installed?

Is the rear a disc brake one?
Hopefully you can find the build sheet.

Thanks for looking at it John, the dealership sending it out did cross my mind I was hoping for proof the factory shipped it out instead but without the build sheet I guess there is no way of knowing. I think PHS has made some changes I do know the basic $85 package now is email only and for a paper package is $115. Mine is the drum brake rear end non WS6 when I bought it I measured the rear sway bar in hopes it was a WS6 but it was 5/8" and not 3/4. If memory serves me right the discs were 79.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

Little over 20 years ago, i parted a fairly late built '78 Y88 W72/auto that was fairly rusty. The 6X-4's off of that X7 engine were cast in April of '78. From that particular car, IF the X7 engine was discontinued, it had to be very late in the production run.

Hope Rocky chimes in. Need someone who has had access to all the '78 Sales Bulletins to
derive when the 78 W72 400 orders were no longer being taken, & when builds with either engine ceased.

When I first got the car I posted the build date was 01D 78 I looked again this past Monday while I was messing around with the shaker and noticed the data tag screw was on the date code. It turned out it was a 1 so the build date was 11D 77 so mine was a pretty early build. Thanks Pinion

[Held for Ransom]

Just throwing this out there and seeing if it sticks...
Upper left side, above INVOICE TOTALS, there is DEALER ORDER NO, COLOR, SOS...
Would the 2 mean WY9???
Never mind, looked it up, SOS = sold or stock

If your invoicing shows cruise control, you definitely had an auto trans. otherwise no cost substitution won't show.

[Gen2guy]

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom

Just throwing this out there and seeing if it sticks...
Upper left side, above INVOICE TOTALS, there is DEALER ORDER NO, COLOR, SOS...
Would the 2 mean WY9???
Never mind, looked it up, SOS = sold or stock

If your invoicing shows cruise control, you definitely had an auto trans. otherwise no cost substitution won't show.

No it's a true 4-speed the VIN is on the BW T-10 trans case and the VIN is on the WC block and no cruise control.

[Held for Ransom]

I was sure you were correct with what you posted earlier, the remark on the CC was for other readers.

For the '78 TA, an auto. trans. would have 3.23:1 rear gears and the 4 speed would have 3.42:1. And the 4 speed trans. code for the TA would have been M21, not MM4.

[johnta1]

Gen2guy, can you post a pic of the cowl tag?
According to Rocky's book, the Hurst Hatch wasn't available for the Van Nuys cars. (at least in your time frame)

Your car is blue correct?

On your PHS, what does it say under the Dealer Order #?