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That’s preproduction at the plant for sure. Wasn’t production first or second week of August?

My 71 Judge Vin is like in the 1k and it’s a 8c car.

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That’s preproduction at the plant for sure. Wasn’t production first or second week of August?

My 71 Judge Vin is like in the 1k and it’s a 8c car.
Gunnell's shows the start of production as 8/10/70.

I assume that is for the Pontiac Michigan plant and satellite plants came on line after that as the launch team became available.

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PHS for the pilot car
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Car was already approx 5 months old and had already had some other form of PMD Duty/Service
-- BEFORE this invoice to ENG-DEV 35-998 as a used vehicle with 30% depreciation in November 1970.

This isn't Invoice #1 for this car. fwiw

Probably assigned to Marketing Pool or Show Car Pool before this invoice.
And - even - also , it possibly originally began at birth with ENG-DEV sector before going into one of those departments.
- aka this might have been its second tour with ENG-DEV which could make this actually Internal Invoice #3.
Just a possible scenario - fwiw

If a Buildsheet is ever found within car it would tell where it was supposed to start life after assembly was finished.

30% is usually the amount of discount they gave Dealers AFTER all PMD Duty was finished. So it probably sold by bids by the time it finally became available for dealer purchase. Around half or less of original dealer net price.

Were any Red 4speed Judges used in promo literature or early magazine tests ?

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I examined this car before it went to auction. I have followed 71’s very closely for years.
With a second week of June build date (06B) I do believe this to be the first 71 judge built.
Sun City also had a Quezal Gold 71 Judge up for auction and they claimed that to be the last Judge built. Not a chance on that one. They basically claimed to have the first and the last one built but not the case on the latter. Especially now since the orbit 71 has surfaced as being the last.Click image for larger version

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The red car had the original trans and rear but that is about it when it comes to originality. It was just a two bolt 455 that literally had just been rebuilt before it went to auction.
The car needed to be completely re-done and it was three different shades of red. Cool car but not very nice.
The Quezal car was an absolute rot box that had so much filler in it you could barely lift the hood. That car did pretty good money at the auction so obviously the buyer had no idea what he was in for.



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PMD VIN # 100115 GTO Judge Show Car has a broadcast date of Aug 24 1970
It was one of the Lucy Blue ""patterns"

I don't have the body build /cowl date recorded.
Likely 1st week of production though, being #115
maybe Day 1 or Day 2

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BVZ, did you notice the Dealer Order # on the P100019 PHS?
(000058)

About like a "Pattern Judge' in 1969?


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BVZ, did you notice the Dealer Order # on the P100019 PHS?
(000058)

About like a "Pattern Judge' in 1969?

1970 GTO Pilot Convertible #P100052 had order #00009, and no build week stamped in cowl tag. Wouldn't really put those Pilot orders in same classification//category as Pattern Order 69 Cars.
But they do have a type of pattern to their order numbers that give relationships to their type of inception [pilot] - it seems.

The 1971 Lucy Blue early production show/display cars sort of have a "pattern-type" in their order numbers that seems a similarity to 69.

71 LucyBlue Show/Display #P100115 for Zone 03 = order# 030007
71 LucyBlue Show/Display #Z100863 for Zone 14 = order# 140007


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UncleJudge, Did P100115 have pwr door locks/seat back locks & AM-FM mono?
Been too long, it seems it gained a custom sport wheel bwhen it was restored can't remember a PHS copy being put up for it near 15 years ago when it went up for sale.

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UncleJudge, Did P100115 have pwr door locks/seat back locks & AM-FM mono?
Been too long, it seems it gained a custom sport wheel bwhen it was restored can't remember a PHS copy being put up for it near 15 years ago when it went up for sale.

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Looks like 08C Roger. No power locks or seat back releases. AM/FM Mono. No Formula or sport wheel either. Correct early hood.





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LucyBlue #Z100863 for Zone 14 was identical - except it did have Pwr Locks and AC

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Got me looking at some 71 PHS'



Here's an interesting one: (possibly owned by someone on PY)





The Dealer Order # is 400011
Zone 40 is possibly for overseas zone.
The PHS has 2 dealers on it, Van Winkle Motor then to Pete Ganis

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The Dealer Order # is 400011
Zone 40 is possibly for overseas zone.
The PHS has 2 dealers on it, Van Winkle Motor then to Pete Ganis

Maybe there was a rhyming code for equipped early Red cars too ?
I don't have very many Invoices for 71 Judges .

Might be worthwhile sometime to try a new witch-hunt thread for Early Blue and Early Red cars.

71's are getting even more interesting lately.
a Pilot, a Grande Finale OO , and a low mile WT7
Documenting more evidence of a firm pattern-type on Early Blue's would be cool .

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Invoice #2 for Early Lucy Blue P100115 ,
to compliment Invoice #1 - that UncleJ posted.

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Default 1971 judge pilot car

Correction. Sorry 115 did have the Formula wheel
Option.


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Correction. Sorry 115 did have the Formula wheel Option.
ha
at first i thought you meant it just didn't have one back on it after the restoration.
You guys are going to go blind internetting on your phones !

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This one has the Formula steering wheel and 15" wheels
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roger what was the vin on your old blue one? mine is 100545 and jeff didn't you also have one in that range

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... old blue one? mine is 100545
Can you check what the dealer order number is on that one, or post the invoice ?

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roger what was the vin on your old blue one? mine is 100545 and jeff didn't you also have one in that range

Yes Gary. Mine was # 716. Typical Blue/blue early car. 08D. They are so beautiful! I wish that I had kept this one.




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