[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hamlin

...thought it was a MOPAR I guess

I had a 64 goat with that stripe, little known factory option..... maybe...

good ole days when u could sit on any upper panel on the car and not cave it in.....

[J.C.you]

few

[Greg Reid]

Originally Posted by goatless

Gonna have to say that's it!

Oh well, I'd rather have a '57 Caddy.

I had a '58 Caddy, same as the '57 except with dual headlamps. It was a nice car but what a TANK. Just wasn't the ticket for a 21 year old. I traded it, plus a $100 bill for my first '68 GTO. All my friends thought I was crazy but they weren't daily driving that dinosaur..lol

[Doug]

Well, sorta.

Here is a picture of my old hometown Pontiac dealership in the background of a gas pump photo. The dealership was MILNE PONTIAC in Logan,WV in 1947.

The other picture of the building is a 1940 photo of some power plant construction work.

The building sign is the word Milne over top of a "concave lettered" Pontiac Sales"

The dealership closed in the early 1970's.

[Jeff Hamlin]

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[goatless]

[Old Goat Racer]

Originally Posted by goatless

Can't see the tail light in front of the 59 Cat. but the trunk lid is a dead givaway.

[Greg Reid]

^^ Yep, looks like another Imperial. Pontiac Tow-Car of choice apparently..lol

[Sirrotica]

The pictures are a little misleading. The chryslers aren't pulling the Pontiacs, the Pontiacs is pushing the chryslers. That's the only way a Pontiac race car could be behind a chrysler...……………

[Old Goat Racer]

^^^ LOL

[Sirrotica]

One thing you have to take away from these old pictures is, you don't need a truck to haul a car, or anything else hooked behind, and you don't need a trailer to get a race car to the race track. Back in the 60s and 70s a trailer in the pits was a rarity for the real high dollar race teams, the grass roots racers flat towed with a tow bar for the most part.

We had 2 sets of tires for the race cars if we were going to be towing them far. One for towing and upon arriving at the track we switched from the tow tires to the race tires.

[bird72]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

One thing you have to take away from these old pictures is, you don't need a truck to haul a car, or anything else hooked behind, and you don't need a trailer to get a race car to the race track.

I have noticed that also..... no trailers, let alone trucks. Big car in front and tow bars. Kind of shows the determination and will to race. In a hillbilly parallel, I have noticed old Montana pictures. Old 2wd Model T trucks, loaded to the gills with dead deer, in a foot of snow hauling them out, on skinny tires with chains. No big deal. Now we all need big sturdy 4wd

[Sirrotica]

A friend of mine was an excavating contractor that embraced the old ways of getting the job done with less. Where now a vibratory unit is used to compact dirt, he would simply run water over dirt that had been recently excavated and the result would usually be better than trying to pack it in with a vibratory roller or hand pushed unit, where it was impractical to use a roller. Difference was you had to wait a day or two for the dirt to dry out before covering it over.

He told me that years ago the specifications on many jobs required the contractor to water freshly excavated dirt before paving over it.

I pull trailers with my 05 GTO and it astounds people that I hook a trailer or a tow dolly to a modern muscle car to tow a trailer or another car with it. I now have a 4X4 dually diesel that usually gets used for trailer duty, but when we go to Norwalk and take the 5th wheel camper and I use the GTO to haul our Go Kart trailer. You get some weird looks from people when you pull up next to them with a late model GTO pulling a trailer, or a tow dolly with a car on it...……….LOL I always tell them with 400 HP it's quite capable of pulling most anything I hook to it, providing I don't override the hitch capacity too much...……...

In the pits at a dirt track nowadays I doubt even a lowly hobby stock or an enduro/demo car would ever come in on a tow bar. Everyone now has big diesel 4x4s pulling a tandem axle trailer, for the most part enclosed trailers. I'd bet money if someone was to show up at a racetrack with a car pulling a race car on a tow bar you'd be the big curiosity in the pits...……….LOL. And in the late 60s through the 70s it would be perfectly normal, a race car coming in on a tandem trailer would be the curiosity back then. You'd just figure they had more money than they knew what to do with it.

When I raced the 67 GTO in the middle picture in my signature we towed it with a 67 GMC 250 CID, three on the column, I rode in the race car while we towed it. Upon encountering any large hill where the GMC would bog down, I'd just start the GTO up and push the GMC up the hill...…. Hence my comment that the Pontiac race cars were probably pushing the chrysler tow cars...…….

[Jeff Hamlin]

[J.C.you]

Looks like he's proud of that 63 cat wagon. Assume he's putting high octane in it.

[400 4spd.]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

Looks like he's proud of that 63 cat wagon. Assume he's putting high octane in it.

"Engineer"?

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

One thing you have to take away from these old pictures is, you don't need a truck to haul a car, or anything else hooked behind, and you don't need a trailer to get a race car to the race track. Back in the 60s and 70s a trailer in the pits was a rarity for the real high dollar race teams, the grass roots racers flat towed with a tow bar for the most part.

Originally Posted by bird72

I have noticed that also..... no trailers, let alone trucks. Big car in front and tow bars. Kind of shows the determination and will to race.

We didn’t get our first pickup truck til 1969:

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

We had 2 sets of tires for the race cars if we were going to be towing them far. One for towing and upon arriving at the track we switched from the tow tires to the race tires.

I did too. That was one of the motivations for putting the trailer back into service (I got tired of having to change tires and put the driveshaft on before making my first pass).

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

I'd bet money if someone was to show up at a racetrack with a car pulling a race car on a tow bar you'd be the big curiosity in the pits...……….LOL.

I hooked the GTO to the Grand Prix for one of the Widetrackers Dustoff shows recently; a lot of folks didn’t know what that was about.

“Is your car broke?” was one of the questions they asked.

K

[muscle_collector]

ralph nadar would've had a fit to see that corvair towing the gto.

[Sirrotica]

K, See the GTO was pushing The GP....LOL

I don't think many people nowadays even know what a tow bar is, or if you mentioned flat towing a car they'd think you had it towed because a tire went down...………..LMAO