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My SS Ford buddy is really a Pontiac guy at heart. He worked at a dealership in Chicago in 1973 and purchased what he says is 1 of 3 cars. It was stolen and never recovered about a year or two later.

He just came across two NOS fender 455SD emblems black. Are they the same as the hood scoop emblems? Gotta be a rare car too bad it was never recovered.

He is going to sell them on Ebay. I will post a link.

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Pontiac NEVER made a 73 Grand am with a 455 SD they had plane d to but NONE were ever produced 455 SD engined were ONLY available in the Trans Am and the Forumla

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None ever sold to the public anyway.
There were probably some made, but were not sold through dealers or to public.

Lynn, does he have any license plate registration info or something with a VIN on it?

It'd be nice to see what PHS would show if he did.

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My friend in OK City has pictures of a grand am he had in the mid 70's. White with SD emblems and a SD engine. Old pictures.... he sure thought it was the real deal, looked stock under the hood. He got rid of it after awhile had problems blowing up Balancers and had to carry a spare. It was just a car to him at that time. said it was quite a runner.
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I have that same picture somewhere around it was a white GA with honeycombs with fender emblems on the front of the fender above the side marker lights.

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Here is my buddy's response. They never made in blue with white stipes 69 TA's either, but I saw two on the trailer at Tom Wood Pontiac.

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You are right Lynn, not worth engaging unless he has a lot of money to wager.
Ask him how many ram air hooded Grand Am's he has seen?
Also 4 speed Grand Am's were not that rare either. Not a dime a dozen by any means, but not uncommon.
The dealer I bought mine from even had a 4 door with a 400 4 speed.
Remember that I still have the window sticker and bill of sale.
I ordered the car Sept. 9 1972 and it was not even built until late May. It was continually delayed due to non availability of the engines. If not for me working for Jack Roach, brother of James Roach at the time it probably never would have been built. Even the 3.42 gear was a issue due to A/C, but they finally installed it at the factory. They did not want to give me anything stiffer than a 3.23.
I took delivery of it the day after Memorial Day 1973 from Seltzer Pontiac in Chicago.
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In case you weren't aware, James Roach was from Hinsdale IL and the Chairman of General Motors at the time so his brother Jack had a little clout.

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There were '73 GTO/ Grand Am/Grand Prix engineering mules and press cars with the SD-455 engines, but they were destroyed many years ago. The famous white SD-455 Grand Am was crushed in April 1978 or 1979 per Tim Claremont at the GA registry, since he has a copy of the factory crush order. The VIN ended in 00232. Over the years, people have mated the SD-455 engine to a 1973 A-Body, such as the gorgeous example originally bought by Jack Hoffman, now owned by Phil Griffith, but none were available from the factory to the general public.

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Here is my buddy's response. They never made in blue with white stipes 69 TA's either, but I saw two on the trailer at Tom Wood Pontiac.

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You are right Lynn, not worth engaging unless he has a lot of money to wager.
Ask him how many ram air hooded Grand Am's he has seen?
Also 4 speed Grand Am's were not that rare either. Not a dime a dozen by any means, but not uncommon.
The dealer I bought mine from even had a 4 door with a 400 4 speed.
Remember that I still have the window sticker and bill of sale.
I ordered the car Sept. 9 1972 and it was not even built until late May. It was continually delayed due to non availability of the engines. If not for me working for Jack Roach, brother of James Roach at the time it probably never would have been built. Even the 3.42 gear was a issue due to A/C, but they finally installed it at the factory. They did not want to give me anything stiffer than a 3.23.
I took delivery of it the day after Memorial Day 1973 from Seltzer Pontiac in Chicago.
PS.
In case you weren't aware, James Roach was from Hinsdale IL and the Chairman of General Motors at the time so his brother Jack had a little clout.

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There were 20 4 door 4 speed Grand Ams produced in 1973, so they are known, and very rare. There are 3 known A bodies with complete Ram Air systems, and supposedly there were 10 sets sold through GM parts division.
I would like the see a scan of his documentation to see if the VIN has an "X" to denote the SD-455 engine. Until I see a copy of that proof, I still say just the white factory test mule SD-455 was the only one made.

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I know of a white 73 Grand Am that was running around the Jacksonville FL area several years ago that was equipped with a SD455 short block, SD455 heads, and 72 HO aluminum intake. It was for advertised for sale either in Hemmings or on the internet. I talked to the owner at length about it as I had a white 73 455 GA that I was considering installing my spare SD455 into.

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Lynn, I would be interested in the VIN if he has it.

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This is also being discussed in the race section.

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Lynn,

There were actually 3 SD Grand Am's built as I have told you before.
One for a engineer which was a very early car, one for a Pontiac exec (VP of Midwest sales) and of course mine.
One white, and two Ascot Silver one of which was mine. Mine was the only one built with an extra cost stripe delete.

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Yeah im sure they built dozens of imiginary cars just like the 421 gto's in the 60's's dosent mean a thing without the documentation

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Please have Alex send you a scan of the VIN to prove that this car existed. Then this info can be brought to Jim Mattison's attention. At this point, these cars are like Sasquatch or the Loch Ness monster.

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At this point, these cars are like Sasquatch or the Loch Ness monster.
And the Mandarin Orange Can ams...


This is easily resolved by providing a V.I.N., hell I'll even pony up for PHS fee!

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Now we have a story of a factory red Can Am....

http://redcanam.com/

"...did I mention it also has no gauge package? Well, it has a speedometer and a great big honking clock that worked about three days, a little combination fuel/temp/oil pressure guage thingie in the center of the dash rounds out this impressive display of insturmentation."

Huh?

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Mr. Red Can-Am is full of sh!t. I suppose he ordered it with dual exhaust and Trans-Am style splitters too?

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I agree.. to many holes in that story. If anything, this was converted at the dealer, or most likely, done by him at some point using parts from a wrecked Can Am. He should have changed the dash out...

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Have you seen pics of the dash? I couldn't tell if it was a Grand Prix or LeMans dash just based on his description. Funny how he didn't include any interior shots, huh?

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From his description of the gauges, it sounds like the Rally gauges for the LeMans dash, which had the fuel/oil/temp gauges in the small center pod, and the gen lamp in the clock, or tach pod on the left.

"......did I mention it also has no gauge package? Well, it has a speedometer and a great big honking clock that worked about three days, a little combination fuel/temp/oil pressure guage thingie in the center of the dash rounds out this impressive display of insturmentation."

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