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Old 09-27-2011, 11:22 AM
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I have every issue of that magazine so, yes, I read that article. However, we don't know if that car was an engineering car cobbled together or it's the real deal.

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I have every issue of that magazine so, yes, I read that article. However, we don't know if that car was an engineering car cobbled together or it's the real deal.
Breathing some life back into your thread here.

You wrote: "However, we don't know if that car was an engineering car cobbled together or it's the real deal."

My obvious question is any way to find out? Sure most here would love to know more about this iconic 1973 SD455 GTO "from the inside" of GM.

Let us know what you can find out. Thanks!


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Old 09-29-2011, 02:59 PM
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I would think PHS would have that information. I don't think the GM Heritage Center has any information on individual Pontiacs. (They do have records on individual Cadillacs, however.)

I also suspect that the only way for PHS to figure it out is to go through all the invoices individually, which is time-consuming.

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I would think PHS would have that information. I don't think the GM Heritage Center has any information on individual Pontiacs. (They do have records on individual Cadillacs, however.)

I also suspect that the only way for PHS to figure it out is to go through all the invoices individually, which is time-consuming.
What does a GM Heritage Center Pontiac information package contain? At only $50 each, what models will be offered?

When I last visited the website last week and attempted to load the 1973 Chevelle packet example it never did load…just a blank page. So you don’t have to ask: Yes, using the fastest internet speed/software/hardware/etc. here on this end.

At that time there was no Pontiac package available. Any expected launch dates?
Is there any way you could post a PDF (or other image) example here?

Thanks.

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Think of it as a library and you can imagine the shelves upon shelves that they have of items. I haven't perused the shelves but have been brought to certain locations where they had the files my contact wanted to show me. Then I brought the box to a table that had Pontiac documents up the wazoo.

I am not terribly familiar with the information packet you speak of, but I have seen the items they have online, which include the AMA specs. I am guessing the file that you chose either was having a bad day or there's a glitch because I had no problem two weeks ago looking at 1966-68 Nova and Chevelle items. It could also be possible that blank page was a cover page and you needed to scroll down to start the document.

I do not know anything about their future plans, but I suspect they'll have Pontiac stuff along with the Chevy stuff that you already have seen. I can tell you that there's too much information in their hands and not enough people to work on it. I suspect they're allotted a certain amount of money to pursue projects to help the hobbyist, as GM is really in the business of new cars, not reclaiming their past (although there's opportunities for both being the same, no?). In the end, I was just a lucky hobbyist who happened to meet the right person who gave me the opportunity to see some obscure items. I lucked out because I visited last year with some Olds folks and discovered a lot of Olds info that has never been seen before. The downside to that? Production logs were through July, not August, of all the respective years, meaning it was likely someone stole the final production logs at some point in time. However, as luck would have it, we found a misplaced August '71 log so that year was complete.

Add to the fact that GM Heritage Center and PHS were in court and you can imagine that the level of info existing and available is fractured.

What do you mean by posting a PDF here? Like for the Chevelle?

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Think of it as a library and you can imagine the shelves upon shelves that they have of items. I haven't perused the shelves but have been brought to certain locations where they had the files my contact wanted to show me. Then I brought the box to a table that had Pontiac documents up the wazoo.

I am not terribly familiar with the information packet you speak of, but I have seen the items they have online, which include the AMA specs. I am guessing the file that you chose either was having a bad day or there's a glitch because I had no problem two weeks ago looking at 1966-68 Nova and Chevelle items. It could also be possible that blank page was a cover page and you needed to scroll down to start the document.

I do not know anything about their future plans, but I suspect they'll have Pontiac stuff along with the Chevy stuff that you already have seen. I can tell you that there's too much information in their hands and not enough people to work on it. I suspect they're allotted a certain amount of money to pursue projects to help the hobbyist, as GM is really in the business of new cars, not reclaiming their past (although there's opportunities for both being the same, no?). In the end, I was just a lucky hobbyist who happened to meet the right person who gave me the opportunity to see some obscure items. I lucked out because I visited last year with some Olds folks and discovered a lot of Olds info that has never been seen before. The downside to that? Production logs were through July, not August, of all the respective years, meaning it was likely someone stole the final production logs at some point in time. However, as luck would have it, we found a misplaced August '71 log so that year was complete.

Add to the fact that GM Heritage Center and PHS were in court and you can imagine that the level of info existing and available is fractured.

What do you mean by posting a PDF here? Like for the Chevelle?
Can anyone else here get the content of these PDF’s to load? Perhaps another PDF plug-in is need.

I have pasted the links for the 1973 through 1977 Chevelle items listed as free from GM below:


1973 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1974 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1975 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1976 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1977 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf


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No problem getting your links to load for me. Saved the 5 PDF files to my Hard Drive. If your still having issue's maybe I can send them to you in an email?

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No problem getting your links to load for me. Saved the 5 PDF files to my Hard Drive. If your still having issue's maybe I can send them to you in an email?

Thanks for the reply CG and Thank you for the offer.
An Adobe plug-in update allowed viewing of the same on this end.
BTW: Please feel free to post this info on the ABody site.


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They are large pdf files, be patient.

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They are large pdf files, be patient.
Thanks Fied. My experience: AFTER the Adobe update it takes less than 10seconds for each 3.5MB pdf file to load here.

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I have every issue of that magazine so, yes, I read that article. However, we don't know if that car was an engineering car cobbled together or it's the real deal.
The article states "development mule".

If you believe that (per the previous discussion on this and other threads) then that would imply "cobbled together".

I assume by "real deal" you mean a saleable car built down the assembly line in Pontiac (as opposed to a stall built car, made non saleable because of this and other modifications).

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Yes, you've inferred correctly.

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Old 10-03-2011, 02:41 PM
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Can anyone else here get the content of these PDF’s to load? Perhaps another PDF plug-in is need.

I have pasted the links for the 1973 through 1977 Chevelle items listed as free from GM below:


1973 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1974 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1975 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1976 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

1977 http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-h...t-Chevelle.pdf

Although good stuff, this is the free "generic" information for the whole product line.

You may already know this, but you can now send in your VIN and get the specific build information (RPO content) for your car, ala "PHS for Chevy's".

I recently did this for my '87 pickup, and can post the results if desired. I did not need to to this for my '74 Chevelle, as it was built in Oshawa and therefore I could get the information from GM of Canada some time ago.

FWIW -

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Big Deal! Our Pontiacs still have the “handwritten notes” on them from the assembly line.

Doubtful that we will ever see the super-secret “
vapor” you are referring to.

So, here is an example of GM Documentation WITH handwritten notes on it.



So, to be believed, post “what you are looking at”. THAT IS what I'm talking about.


If this is what I think it is, this little nugget was worth the price of admission for me!

Glad I stumbled into this thread

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If this is what I think it is, this little nugget was worth the price of admission for me!

Glad I stumbled into this thread

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Thanks for your contribution here Keith. Please feel free to post any more threads/links/pages, re: the 1963 SD and paperwork, here.

FWIW, IMO: The Heritage info is poor at best. No Pontiac info offered misses the mark for me.

On The Positive: I enjoyed reading your
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“Intro from an old Assembly Plant Guy": (over 53,000 views) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=342926
and this link http://www.73-87.com/7387info/Assembly%20Line.htm with your narrative of the GM Truck assembly process.

Back in the 80’s; here in Texas, the C/K series molding would fall of the sides of the trucks from the summer heat. The tar/glue would melt in the heat.

One of my favorite chase scenes is from the movie 1978 movie: The Driver with the 1973/1974 step side
that is chasing a 1976 Trans Am (note the primered 73 Malibu…)
(…and the Honeycomb wheeled 72 GP)


Good stuff. Thanks for adding your two cents here.

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Old 10-04-2011, 06:39 AM
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Re: Intro from an Old Assembly Plant guy - thank you. I-69 in Flint was littered with those adhesive moldings as well.

Re: "The Driver" - stepside pickups, '73 Malibus, Firebirds - man, that movie had it all!

(lol)

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Keith, did you ever run into Ben Hamper?

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Yes - he worked down on the frame line (riveting crossmembers together).

He was sort of a local hero, but ended up having a nervous breakdown or something and fell out of sight.

I think he's better now and doing some more writing.

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Let's say there's a bit of info you'd like to learn about your car that isn't readily available...Interested in what makes you guys tick.

Here you go!
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Some of GM's management think this is the value of their history if they can't make a dime on it.
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…The Heritage Center, which could be a wealth of historical information and a boon to the hobbyist has become a "bank vault" only open to those with connections. And the information is treated like magical pearls, to be dispensed only when it serves the corporate good. And it's not as if there is huge profit in the materials; if 10,000 enthusiasts spent $100 in the Heritage center annually, the net return would be less than one ad campaign for one vehicle! Imagine what it would cost to reach those 10,000 potential GM product buyers and convince them to buy your product!
Full article here http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-b...=9990395003330


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Alvin, don't quote me on this, but I think I was the inspiration of that. :-)

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