[Alvin]

Originally Posted by pontiacs4ever1971

My 73 GTO ended up getting bronze in concourse judge in the show. I figured it would land in silver or bronze.

Excuse me for posting the large pic your GTO. Doing so because - 1st congrats on your bronze award, 2nd nice GTO!

I'd make room for it in our herd.

[77 Canamman]

Originally Posted by Grand73Am

I'm not finding fault with it. It doesn't bother me either way. Looks nice. But, the owner seems to want to be correct, and might not be aware of the RTS situation in 73. So, I was just making him and others that don't know aware, for educational purposes. Maybe it's something he didn't know.
77 Canamman, you have a 73 GTO and are an expert on these cars, so if I'm wrong in my analysis, please correct me, since I'm all for accurate information being shared on the forum.

My apologies. My comment was not in any way directed towards you. You are correct in refernce to the RTS badge. In '74, a large RTS emblem was affixed to the glovebox on most models. In '75, it was placed on the cluster bezels.

1974 GP dash:

[rexs73gto]

Grand73Am I'm sure rick was again pointing his finger at me for pointing out that the TRS badge was incorrect for the 73 GTO, but I to was just pointing it out so if the curent owner didn't know or wasn't aware that it was incorrect as he has a great looking car. But htere for some reason seems to be som friction between myself & rick (77canamman) Although rick is & has in most of the posts is the 1st one to jump on anyone when they post something that is not correct, he has in the past made sure everyone knows that he knows EVERYTHING about the 73-77 A-bodies. Yes he does know a lot of info for these cars but in the past few years he has made it a point to let all know that he does know more then some. Plus his post about the same somebodies I'm sure refers to me but It's him thats is most always the 1st to point out when someone else has made a mistake. But when someone else does what he's so quick to point out he has to make sure that they are tried to look foolish. But all i can say to that is grow up & look yourself in the face before you correct someone for doing the same thing that you do.

[pontiacs4ever1971]

I was thinking they came out with RTS in 74'. I know this car has been repainted 1 time. I don't take offens to any critizesm. On the car

[pontiacs4ever1971]

Thanks Alvin, it's nice but not as nice as my 70' lol

[77 Canamman]

Originally Posted by pontiacs4ever1971

I was thinking they came out with RTS in 74'. I know this car has been repainted 1 time. I don't take offens to any critizesm. On the car

RTS was used on the 1973 Grand Am, but Pontiac did not put any nameplates in the interior to remind the driver of such. 1974 was the first year that the emblem appeared in most models.

[Old Blue 66]

Seventh video down. I posted to the club website last week. Nice car Tim. Congrats on the award!@!

http://cruisintigers.com/club-video.html

[Norwood]

Love the car and well deserving of the award. Now can I get another shot of the Apple Pie?

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Old Blue 66

Seventh video down. I posted to the club website last week. Nice car Tim. Congrats on the award!@!

http://cruisintigers.com/club-video.html

Thanks for the heads up Paul. Here's the direct YouTube video link http://youtu.be/9A6qbxouthI
Interesting to see on the buildsheet this was a customer order car, sold @ Courtest Pontiac-GMC Davis, CA built in Freemont, CA 06/18/1973

[77 Canamman]

Nice video!

[pontiacs4ever1971]

Thanks Paul, for posting.

[Grand73Am]

Enjoyed the video!

[pontiacs4ever1971]

Guys, about the rts badge on the bazel I know they didn't come out with that opt on the lemons til 74. I have a 73' nos bezel with the same badge. It might be possible that it got subbed in on the assembly' line. Trust me from someone that has worked the assembly lines it's possible.

[pontiacs4ever1971]

Thanks Steve

[77 Canamman]

Originally Posted by pontiacs4ever1971

Guys, about the rts badge on the bazel I know they didn't come out with that opt on the lemons til 74. I have a 73' nos bezel with the same badge. It might be possible that it got subbed in on the assembly' line. Trust me from someone that has worked the assembly lines it's possible.

It's not a true '73 bezel then. What is the size of the wiper switch opening? The part could have been substituted by GM in service. I am 100 percent certain that not one of the RTS bezels made it onto any A bodies from the factory in 1973. The GTO was not available with radial tires. They were typically Polyglas GT tires, but some were the Firestone Wide Oval G60-15.

[Alvin]

Note your build sheet screen grab below.

On topic, of interest (to me) are the designations as written there:

• FJ4 Tire G60x15 L

• FQ5 (or FO5?) Chrome Wheels

My copy - and supplemental page - of the GTOAA's Pontiac GTO/GT-37 Illustrate ID Guide does not include the desgination(s)

• FJ4 as Tire description.

• FQ5 (or FO5?) Chrome Wheels

Instead for 1973 GTO it includes

Standard Tire:

• G60 x 15" black wall

2 polyester body plys
2 fiberglass tread belts
Load range B

Optional Tire:

• G60 x 15" raised white letter

2 polyester body plys
2 fiberglass tread belts
Load range B

––-------------------------------------------------

Standard Wheel: Stamped steel
Size - 15" x 7" (AE)
Wheel color -

• Starlight black

Standard hub cap: (illustration of chrome moon poverty cap w Pontiac arrow)

Optional Wheel: Rally II; styled steel
Size - 15" x 7" (KR, HM)
Wheel color -

• Argent Silver/Medium Charcoal

Mandatory accessories -

• Trim ring

• Center cap

Optional Wheel: Honeycomb; molded Neothane/stamped steel
Size - 15" x 7" (KP)
Wheel color -

• Argent Silver

Mandatory accessories -

• Center cap

Optional trim ring:
(n.a. w/Honeycomb)

[Alvin]

NOTE: So my point isn't to throw stones @ this great GTO!

Instead, it appears that this "Customer Ordered" 1973 GTO was originally equipped with "chrome wheels" which I'm wondering if they were a chromed version of the standard 15" x 7" (AE) also known as "chrome reverse" wheels (see image below for chrome GTO wheel) at that time and were quite popular with Hot Rodders?

The buildsheet designations may be different/specific for Fremont CA built GTOs?

My pointing these items out are intended for discussion and learning purposes only. Once again - in no way is there any intent on my part to diminish or denigrate this GTO.

I find it quite interesting that we can always learn new details, designations, options, etc. that are contrary to the often heard and read: "they never built them like that"

[Alvin]

[Alvin]

P.S.: the hubcaps (below) are also included as "Optional wheel disc: Custom finned" in the GTOAA guide for 1973 GTO's.

I did not include them in the above posts. I can't recall the last time - if ever - that I've seen them on a '73 GTO. In my limited experience - These are most often seen on '73 Grand Ams.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Note your build sheet screen grab below.

On topic, of interest (to me) are the designations as written there:

• FJ4 Tire G60x15 L

• FQ5 (or FO5?) Chrome Wheels

My copy - and supplemental page - of the GTOAA's Pontiac GTO/GT-37 Illustrate ID Guide does not include the desgination(s)

• FJ4 as Tire description.

• FQ5 (or FO5?) Chrome Wheels

Instead for 1973 GTO it includes

Standard Tire: TXF P86

• G60 x 15" black wall

2 polyester body plys
2 fiberglass tread belts
Load range B

Optional Tire:TXL PJ4

• G60 x 15" raised white letter

2 polyester body plys
2 fiberglass tread belts
Load range B

––-------------------------------------------------

Standard Wheel: Stamped steel
Size - 15" x 7" (AE)
Wheel color -

• Starlight black

Standard hub cap: (illustration of chrome moon poverty cap w Pontiac arrow)

Optional Wheel: Rally II; styled steel 474 N98
Size - 15" x 7" (KR, HM)
Wheel color -

• Argent Silver/Medium Charcoal

Mandatory accessories -

• Trim ring

• Center cap

Optional Wheel: Honeycomb; molded Neothane/stamped steel 478 PO5
Size - 15" x 7" (KP)
Wheel color -

• Argent Silver

Mandatory accessories -

• Center cap

Optional trim ring: 471 PO6
(n.a. w/Honeycomb)

Ran out of time while posting the above and left out the designations shown above in RED as - Sales code no. | UPC code no.

Also found this interesting tidbit:

Dealer-installed accessories:
Part
no. Description (application)

984528 Wire Wheel Disc Covers (4)