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First Stage i aint revealing...okay you beat it outta me; a 5" vacuum cleaner impeller.
2nd Stage I used an aluminum wheel about 3" made in Northeast U.S.A. |
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Mark,
What RPM? Stan
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Stan,
58,000 for 5", and 72,000 for 3". Elec power was 33VDC @ 70Amps. I went up to 45 V for rpm headroom on the motors but still keeping the rpms about same. Fairly INSTANT boost. these rpms vary depending on 2-stage vs single stage eval because the outlet is 14.7 PSI. I use a Cal'd Orifice 2.000" hole is a 4" pipe. Really need a venturi or other low restriction path to show better numbers. Good enough numbers are showing soi have conservatism. |
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So part two of the electric supercharger video came out on YouTube, this time it was the drag strip part. So they picked up 1 1/2 sec and almost 10 mph (from 16.9 et to 15.4 et) at the drag strip (1/4 mile) using the supercharger on the 4 cylinder......pretty darn impressive. They’re going to follow it up with bolting 2 of the electric superchargers to it (Dyno then drag strip results).
GTO George |
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What’s nice about these electric superchargers are there is no lag in power......instant boost/power!
GTO George |
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Nope just kinda reposted.
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Put about 10 of these things on a 455 and power it all up with a forklift battery!
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I’m thinking 4 would probably do the trick at 48 volts!
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I'm a little surprised a vacuum cleaner part survives 58K rpm. Not doubting you, I'm just ignorant of vac cleaner blower rpm and construction. That sounds like a lot of centripetal force on a part made for a home appliance! I guess good news is I'm not flying in the plane powered by a vacuum cleaner blower! Again, I'm just ignorant and curious, but what kind of motor turns 58K rpm? |
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Simple Math, $2500 times 2 = $5,000 for the two electric turbos.
For $5,000 it has been posted the HP gain was 100 additional hp on the 4 cylinder engine. I believe Charlie has less that that amount in his entire Turbo system and made 700+ hp from 200 cid. So in my opinion it is a massive waste of money vs the cost. Just like the Torqstorm superchargers needing two of them to make any halfway decent power. Turbochargers and a bit of fabrication skill gets you 4 times the power. Tom V.
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You can do a bunch of bottle refills on a Cheap NOS 125 HP shot for $5,000.
Just saying. And where are you going to get 48 volt power. Battery costs and battery boxes are not cheap. Beating a dead horse for a 100 hp improvement. But do whatever you want. Waste of time when you could be making some decent power with a turbo for the same money. Tom V.
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Again people need to do the research on some products so their information can be correct........just saying!
GTO George |
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Done with this one as same old info that was known 6 years ago when I was doing Research and Testing of Electric Supercharger at Ford Research as a job.
I am sure that the guys who made the video had fun but fun vs getting paid to do the job is a whole different story. Kind of like Racing for Fun and Getting Paid to Race for a living. Tom V.
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Not everything is developed to the OEM standards / quality you had at FORD. But that does not mean that it may not be a useful produce for some people to use. Stan
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1) Known Fact #1 12 Volt Electric Superchargers do not move air nearly as well as 48 volt Superchargers (due to the power available to drive the supercharger compressor wheel). 2) Known fact #2 12 volt Superchargers and 48 Volt Superchargers are not designed exactly the same way. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. We tested both designs on the same cell under the same conditions. The 12 volt systems are not designed to run at 48 volts, any more than your USA TV is designed to run a different voltage in a different country. Changes are required. You being a world traveler would know this, I assume. 3) 48 Volt systems designed properly along with 48 volt automobile charging systems and batteries have a great future IF the public were willing to accept them and the aftermarket suppliers had the ability to supply those 48 volt batteries and related components in volume. They do not currently have that capability. 4) You can't just hook up a set of four 12 volt batteries and expect them to function like a true 48 volt system in a car. VERY GOOD WAY TO GET PEOPLE HURT MESSING WITH STUFF THEY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT. Maybe down the road the OEMs will have the proper 48 volt charging systems and related parts available to the public and then the 48 volt supercharger guys like Borg Warner and others will offer 48 aftermarket parts and knowledge to make they work properly. Otherwise you are treading down a dangerous path for the person who wants to EXPERIMENT with higher voltage electricity on his vehicle. I post to save peoples lives on E-Boost, not to give them bad info and advice. Tom V.
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I don't know if anyone has ever seen the video of the model airplane that was build and used a leaf blower for it power / propulsion.
Using the same idea. I see a RYOBI leaf blowers going for $129 specs 160 MPH / 520 CFM. So if I take 3 of them for less then $400, I have 1540 CFM. On a fair size engine I can get a 2:1 pressure ratio. I can have a fun day at the track with them and a few spare battery packs. Stan
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