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Old 02-23-2017, 12:18 PM
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Hello everyone,

You may remember the car in this video link. It was purchased about a year ago off this board and has since gone through a lot to get it where it is in the video. Still needs a few minor items to be where it should be. I want to thank, Chris “The Boss”, for making this video for me as I am a technology dinosaur.
Without going into great detail three major items had to be done (there are others, but that is for another day). The Ram Air IV engine had to be rebuilt with less than 100 miles on it, had to repaint the car as the “original” paint hid many sins and the whole electrical system had to be rewired.
The engine contains a fully forged rotating assembly 427 stroker kit and with the 30 overbore gets things to 433 cubes. The cam is a Butler custom grind Part #3315/3316HR112. Had the engine dyno’d before it was put in the car and got uncorrected numbers through ram air IV exhaust manifolds and repro RAIV intake manifold:
447 HP @ 5000RPM
535 TQ @3500 RPM

31 degrees total timimg all in by 3500 rpm used 93 octane and 9.9 compression.

Here is a partial list from the dyno:
RPM HP TQ
2500 247 520
3000 295 516
3500 356 535
4000 400 525
4500 431 503
5000 447 470
5500 436 416
5800 402 356

I’m very happy with the results of the rebuilt engine.

I know some of you will disagree with what was done, but it was done to save the car.

Let me know what you think.

Jim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAFVExVbLXY

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No burnout with the Boss filming? Or more to come? Sounds lumpy cool! That garage is cool too? Details

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Don't know what there is to disagree about, it looks great Jim, sounds good, and will be a fun car with that power on tap. That's gettin' it done pretty good with manifolds in place, and the repop intake looks like it works well enough. Enjoy it!!

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Old 02-26-2017, 01:13 PM
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Don't know what there is to disagree about, it looks great Jim, sounds good, and will be a fun car with that power on tap. That's gettin' it done pretty good with manifolds in place, and the repop intake looks like it works well enough. Enjoy it!!
Larry,

My mechanic was trying to get me to use Doug's headers with an 1.75 inch primary and 3 inch collector. He said it would add 30hp to the number posted above. I'm guessing 10-15 lbs. of TQ would have been added.

I had a brand new pair of round port exhaust manifolds with the 2.5 inch outlet for another build and decided to use headers instead. I couldn't see leaving them in the box when they would be perfect for this car.

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Larry,

My mechanic was trying to get me to use Doug's headers with an 1.75 inch primary and 3 inch collector. He said it would add 30hp to the number posted above. I'm guessing 10-15 lbs. of TQ would have been added.

I had a brand new pair of round port exhaust manifolds with the 2.5 inch outlet for another build and decided to use headers instead. I couldn't see leaving them in the box when they would be perfect for this car.
I agree if you have them may as well use them. On a car like that it makes good sense. Nothing wrong with the power it made.

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Love em or hate em, headers add substantial power on a built big engine. I agree on 30hp there. Bolts get loose, they are loud, they dent, but they work. You need good big tube ones. Super Comp etc...

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No burnout with the Boss filming? Or more to come? Sounds lumpy cool! That garage is cool too? Details
No burnouts for the car as of now. The engine only has about 35 miles on it. I like the sound of the lumpy idle too. The garage is not only the two garages you saw in the video. I also take up residence in the three garages to the right of the Trans am. There is also signage on all if the walls. Some are items my brother and I put together and others are reproductions of Pontiac items.

I had dry wall put up and painted white with a black edging along the bottom of the walls. Led lighting was also put in and I had race deck flooring installed. It is definitely my safe heaven from life's problems.

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No burnout with the Boss filming?
He didn't offer & I didn't ask.

Car was a little too fresh for me to deflower it so quickly.

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The garage is not only the two garages you saw in the video. I also take up residence in the three garages to the right of the Trans am. There is also signage on all if the walls. Some are items my brother and I put together and others are reproductions of Pontiac items.

I had dry wall put up and painted white with a black edging along the bottom of the walls. Led lighting was also put in and I had race deck flooring installed. It is definitely my safe heaven from life's problems.
I have a few more pics Jim, if you want I can post them up.

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He didn't offer & I didn't ask.

Car was a little too fresh for me to deflower it so quickly.



I have a few more pics Jim, if you want I can post them up.
Chris,

Please post'em.

Thanks,

Jim

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I hope you can humor this question;
Why the electric choke conversion?

Personally I have found the OE mechanical choke to function flawlessly.

That's a beautiful car - thanks for sharing this video!

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Cool car. I like it. Sounds very healthy

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I hope you can humor this question;
Why the electric choke conversion?

Personally I have found the OE mechanical choke to function flawlessly.

That's a beautiful car - thanks for sharing this video!
Thanks for the compliment.

Went with electric since that is what came on the new Holley carb. The intention was to keep the rebuilt q-jet,but it didn't work out. The q-jet was used on the 1st pull on the dyno. Found the carb to be very lean at idle and way to rich at WOT. Didn't have the time to fix and went with a Holley 750 CFM double pumper the dyno shop had. The engine loved it. The carb problem was an example of a lot things on this car. Got fed up and bought a new carb.

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Went with electric since that is what came on the new Holley carb. The intention was to keep the rebuilt q-jet,but it didn't work out. The q-jet was used on the 1st pull on the dyno. Found the carb to be very lean at idle and way to rich at WOT. Didn't have the time to fix and went with a Holley 750 CFM double pumper the dyno shop had. The engine loved it. The carb problem was an example of a lot things on this car. Got fed up and bought a new carb.
Well, you can mail the old one to me

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I agree sounds strong ready to rip

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Love it! Can't wait to go for a ride!! :-)

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What's not to like ?

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The color

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