[scorpio ps]

I understand that the 70GS Stage 1 can spank a modern day Corvette. Do you think?

[2manyT/A'S]

WHO CARES!

[Jim Rotella]

I hear ya, 2manyT/A's. I'd much rather see more Pontiac posts here.

[Old Blue 66]

Ive always had repect for the Buicks and espesialy the Olds. Ive had a couple 442"s over the years and if i wasnt into Pontiacs so much, Id be an Olds guys.

Hey Duane...Glad to hear you finally sold the 442...I think?

[Father&Son73T/A]

Originally Posted by scorpio ps

It is only worth what one thinks it's worth. The previous owner has the 68 Hurst Olds also. All original. All... He's not ready yet. I hope that I am first in line. 515 produced,
390HP 510LBS-FT torque. Yahoooooo.

If I had to stray from my Pontiacs, these are two of the four cars I am after. The others being 1970 Buick GS 455 Stage I and the 1970 or 1971 Ford Torino Super Cobra Jet 429SCJ. One down, three to go.

I know of a GS Stage 1 4 spd soon for sale.

[68bird400HO]

Originally Posted by scorpio ps

I understand that the 70GS Stage 1 can spank a modern day Corvette. Do you think?

Not is stock form. The 70 Stage1s are fantastic cars and I have a lot of respect for them. They look great too. I used to be heavy into the GSs and still love them. The 455 Stage1 is a strong runnin' motor, no question. It may be able to handle a W30 and a RAIV (due to the cubes). Not sure about an LS6 though. It is right in the thick of the GM super motors. However, I do remember in one of the Musclecar Shootouts back in the 80s where the championship race was between a well tuned Stage1 (I believe it was John Chamberlain's car) and Dan Jensen's 455HO T-37 (also well tuned). The 455HO won in a very close match. .....maybe this is a good segway back to the HOs.

But first... Here are a few pics of my first GS. A 1971 Stage1 convertible. It was the real deal, one of 81 built. I bought it June 1, 1984 and sold it in 1989. A number of years later it was completely burned up in a fire.

[2manyT/A'S]

[QUOTE=68bird400HO]
I do remember in one of the Musclecar Shootouts back in the 80s where the championship race was between a well tuned Stage1 (I believe it was John Chamberlain's car) and Dan Jensen's 455HO T-37 (also well tuned). The 455HO won in a very close match. .....maybe this is a good segway back to the HOs.

You ARE the MAN!

That's JUST what we need here to get this thread back on track.

Dan Jensen is DEFINATELY the HOmaster! (he knows how to set them up & he knows how to DRIVE them!

Was the shootout you are referring to in a magazne or video?
It would be a good article or clip to post here.

[68bird400HO]

I believe it was one of the shootouts sponsored by Muclecar Review magazine back in the late 80s or so. I remember seeing the cover of that issue with both cars launching.

...and John Chamberlain is to Stage1s what Dan Jensen is to 455HOs. John's brown 70 Stage1 was the one featured on My Classic Car a few years back.

[1971WARBIRD]

probably 10-15 years ago there was a magizine BOP that had a few articles of each brand and a for sale thing in the back,do any of you remember that?it was a good mag that i hated to see go.had a lot of good info.

[GonicGM]

Originally Posted by 68bird400HO

...and John Chamberlain is to Stage1s what Dan Jensen is to 455HOs.

I would have said Greg Gesler myself. I believe he is/was doing the heads for many in FAST, especially Buick.

[68bird400HO]

Yes, Gessler is a definitely another Buick guru. I think he has the hardest running stock GSs. John has been messing with GSs since they were practically new. He knows how to get them to run and keep them totally stock appearing.

[68bird400HO]

Doin' some googling I found this interesting article on the 1998 pure stock drags. Dan Jensen's T-37 only ran exhibition passes but was running 12.60s. John Chamberlain's Stage1 was running right about same, as was the 440 6-Pak Superbee. I am still looking for the earlier article with the Stage1 and T-37. Does anyone remember this?

http://www.yearone.com/enthusiast/re...10purestck.pdf

[2manyT/A'S]

Started digging in the "library" LATE the other nite & found Muscle Car Review Sept 85.
Article features Dan Jensens 71 455ho T-37 (13.47@104.53) spanking a Hemi Daytona (13.96@101.35)

Sonds like he was running almost a second quicker in 98.

['ol Pinion head]

Lot of things can be optimized in 10 years. The swap to 15" repro rubber had to help some in the traction dept.

[68bird400HO]

I emailed Dan about his recollection of his match with John's Stage1. Here is what he had to say:

"....I think you are referring to the very first musclecar race back in 1985 at the Buick GS Nationals in Bowling Green , KY. Chamberlain and I were the two fastest cars, and we wound up racing each other. I didn’t win the challenge because I accidentally didn’t turn on my electric fuel pump. I had a Holley pump on it, and the mechanical couldn’t pull fuel thru it very well when it was turned off. I had a brain fart for that run with all the excitement going on. I remember I got the jump off the line, was pulling away in first, hit second, pulled away farther, and then the car shut down, and the Buick went on by for the win. Back in the pits, I told John what happened and asked if he’d be willing to go out again, and he said no. If I only knew then what I know now that our stock mechanical fuel pumps can handle 11-second cars! I remember that Muscle Car Review covered the race and I would expect the issue would have been around September or October of 1985. I can’t find my scrapbook for the T-37 at this time.

I think my T-37 was slightly faster than John’s GS at that point in time, but half of racing is luck, and it was on his side for that race...."

So does anyone have any old Musclecar Review magazines?

[2manyT/A'S]

I SHOULD have ALL issues up until the early/mid 90's,but need to organize/inventory them.

Do you have any specific dates/issues in mind?
I MAY have some duplicates.

[68bird400HO]

Dan was thinking it be around the Sept or Oct 1985 issue.

[fbirdinconcord]

It is in the September 1985 issue.

[2manyT/A'S]

Originally Posted by fbirdinconcord

It is in the September 1985 issue.

I just thumbed the Sept. 85 issue & didn't see anything about a GS vs. T-37.

As I indicated above,that issue has the Hemi Daytona/ 455 Ho T-37 feature in it.

[Brewster]

Either way killer color and motor combo for any car for its day and age.
Got to love it,
Brew