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08-14-2006, 05:14 PM
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Not sure what GP's and GTO's have to do with Z-28 302's in Firebirds racing in Trans Am. GP's were hard to come by until 1970 in Canada and don't think this era GP's were ever made in Canada so no issue there. GTO's were only made in Oshawa in 1970 and 1973 and GM Canada did import Pontiac engines to build them.
1st generation Firebirds with Chevy Z-28 302's did in fact race in Trans Am as documented by numerous posts before this, including Motor Trend, Trans Am's own web site and more. So the real questions are not if Chevy power was in the first generation Firebird but why did Pontiac/GM Canada get the car approved to race in Trans Am with Chevrolet V8 power and how did they fool FIA if Chevy engines were not installed at the Oshawa factory? |
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08-23-2006, 03:32 PM
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I would like to get to the bottom of this matter of Chevy engines in 1st generation Firebirds. It is documented that Firebirds raced in Trans Am with Z-28 power so that's a fact. The two unanswered questions are:
1. Did GM Canada make any Firebirds with Chevy engines? Maybe they knocked out enough to qualify for Trans Am. 2. If GM Canada didn't put Chevy engines in Firebirds, how did they trick the FIA into letting them race Firebirds with Z-28 power in Trans Am? Just trying to get the thread going again and find the truth. |
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08-24-2006, 03:32 PM
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Found the link below for sale. It has Netherlands plates and GM Canada exported to Europe in '67. Not definitive proof but....
http://www.californiaclassics.nl/cal...1967-01-01.htm |
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08-25-2006, 07:02 AM
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08-25-2006, 05:48 PM
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08-26-2006, 12:51 PM
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Any Chevy v-8 engines in 1st gen. Firebirds were either owner or dealer installed-not factory . Heres a pic of a six times Champion Super Gas Firebird from England with PONTIAC POWER.
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08-27-2006, 07:30 PM
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09-15-2006, 11:31 AM
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Another 327 Firebird in Canada
 327 totally restored Firebird
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09-15-2006, 01:36 PM
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69 SHOULD BE A 350 CAR WITH EITHER DIVISION RIGHT?
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09-16-2006, 12:29 PM
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i know my uncle had a 68 or 69 pontiac grand prix i think that he picked up and it had a 350 or 375 horse 396 in it and the car was all original...pulled the motor for a chevelle...it was a canadian car....also when i was in high school a guy bought a very nice mostly original 1970 lemans and it came with a small block chevy....he rolled it not long after buying it....
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09-19-2006, 12:08 AM
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You could be right
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Could be that GM Canada carried over the 327, Pontiac Beaumonts had 327's in 68 maybe 69 too
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09-19-2006, 08:54 AM
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Hmmmmm, #'s matching 327????
[QUOTE=Wareagle]Any Chevy v-8 engines in 1st gen. Firebirds were either owner or dealer installed-not factory. /QUOTE]
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09-23-2006, 07:43 PM
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So, any thoughts about that #'s matching 327?
Just curious about any thoughts on my previous two posts, you know the ones that have a 1967 Firebird for sale with a numbers matching 327.
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09-29-2006, 09:36 PM
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1967 Complete Restoration Firebird
When the term "complete restoration" is used does that imply that you take the factory installed engine, throw it away then find one from another manufacturer to put in it's place?
I always thought that when a "complete restoration" was done you put the car back as close as humanly possible to the way it left the factory. This complete restoration includes a 327, not a 326 or 400................a 327. 
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10-01-2006, 07:09 PM
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I think it's a misprint. It's supposed to read 326 instead of 327.
After all the 67's were the last of the 326, 68's got 350's. |
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10-01-2006, 07:54 PM
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That's a lot of misprints....
So far I posted 4 Firebirds for sale - 3 in Canada that show 327's, number's matching too, several articles from Motor Trend, information from 1st Generation Firebird web site, A GM Canada advertisment, references on Trans Am own website all stating that 1st Generation Firebirds were sold in Canada with Chevrolet engines and all I get back is "misprint" and "that's not true", That's a very interesting assesment of evidence gathered from a host of independent third party sources, imo.
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10-01-2006, 08:12 PM
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I found this 2001 vintage post doing a Google search. Note that the sender has a Canadian email address!!!!
From: Owens Farm - view profile Date: Mon, Jan 15 2001 10:30 pm Email: "Owens Farm" <owens.f...@sk.sympatico.ca> Groups: alt.autos.camaro.firebird I'm helping a friend of mine swap the engine in his 67 Firebird. It had a chevy 327 engine in it, and we're swapping in a 78 Pontiac 400. Two questions. First, will the motor mounts for an original 67-69 400 work with the 78 400 block? Second, does anyone know the casting numbers for the exhaust manifolds for the 78 Pontiac 400? Thanks!!
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10-01-2006, 08:46 PM
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Thanks dancolkate.....
I know it must be hard to swallow to Pontiac die hards, but to most Canadians a Pontiac with a Chevrolet engine is still a Pontiac, nicer than a comparable Chevrolet and some even think they are just a little more desireable than the Pontiacs that were imported, especially the big block cars and Canadian specific muscle like Beaumont SD, Acadian SS or Custom Sports and 2+2.
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10-02-2006, 02:24 AM
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After doing some searching, I must say it looks like alot of 327 chevy powered cars were wearing Pontiac bodies. Too bad for the friends of ours up north. Wish you guys would have gotten more Pontiac powered muscle up there.
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10-04-2006, 08:29 PM
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I'm wondering if it could have been a COPO type order that put these SBC 327 engines in pontiac Firebirds. You would think if it was a standard practice to put SBC engines in the 1st gen Firebird their would also have been an option to put a BBC 396 in the cars also. Several dealers in the US placed COPO orders to meet the requirements of different racing associations. They went with the ones that were popular in their given area since it would be easier to move them. If Trans Am style racing was a big hit in Canada I'm sure GM would have obliged the dealer ships in the area with a special COPO order. If GM was able to charge more and have the car cost less it would be even more incentive to do it. Maybe I'm really barking up the wrong tree here since I have never heard of a COPO Pontiac like you do the Chevy COPO, but also on the same note Pontiac production numbers for simular cars to a chevy generally were lower, so the COPO idea was not really that big of a deal or done by such a small group of dealerships that it was not that well known of!
Just some thoughts on the chevy engine in these 1st gen Firebirds.
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