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I guess you need a special license or hazmat suit to get it here. I had an oil change at Valvoline in May. They don't carry it in stock, and you have to special order it with your oil change if you want it, a week in advance. I won't insult your senses with what they wanted to charge for it. It was cheaper to pay my regular car service mechanic $25 for labor, and give him the Mobil One, the Wix filter and the Lucas ZDDP than to go to Valvoline with their $20 off special coupon. |
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Link to Mobil 1 Engine Product Guide: https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...pecs-guide.pdf 15W50 is on page 3 at the bottom of page. 1200 PPM of Phosphorous and 1300 PPM of Zinc. " |
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Diesel
I run diesel oil with a bottle of Comp Cams Break in additive every oil change.
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When I was looking into this I seem to remember reading that an overabundance of zinc anti wear additive can backfire and actually create wear.
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Rotella 15/40
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Comp cams and others have oil with zinc for these older cars . They also have break in oil and the zinc additive.
I order by the case with free shipping. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
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I get mine at O'Reilly's but they don't carry it on the shelf. It was kept in the back where I got mine.
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Petrochemical engineers urge people to use the correct oil for the job at hand, rather than trying to re-engineer their own blends with additives. As far as spending a ton of money on oil and using the same oil filter that is inferior you're really wasting money. Oil does not lose it's ability to lubricate, it gets dirty rather quickly and then starts abrading internal engine parts with the microscopic solids that full flow filters physically cannot remove. Typically the best full flow filter will only filter down to 20-40 microns at an efficient level. By pass oil filters typically filter down to the 1-5 micron range at 98 % efficiency. Makes the engine as well as the oil and additive package last many times longer than standard filters. Everything I own is high mileage, the lowest mileage vehicle I own is 105,000 miles on it. My wife's car has 300,000 miles on it that was bought new in 2008. Pennzoil synthetic 10W-30 in the gas vehicles, Shell Rotella 15W-40, or Shell Rotella full synthetic 5W-40, in the diesels. I use by pass oil filters on the 140,000 mile LS2 GTO, and the 270,000 mile 6.5 TD. The vehicles I haven't yet converted to by pass filters get the Purolator Boss synthetic media filters. The quality of the oil filter is more important than what brand of oil you purchase. The high quality oil filter also allows oil changes to be safely extended. The by pass filters allow me to extend drain intervals 3-4 times that of a conventional filter, usually 30-40,000 miles between oil changes. I believe the high mileage vehicles I own prove the oil filter has more to do with low maintenance of engines rather than which brand of oil you use. I however buy the best value oil, (Pennzoil synthetic, Shell Rotella) without spending an arm and a leg for it, then make a concerted effort to keep the oil clean. I intend to have the whole fleet equipped with by pass oil filters during this year. 1988 IH S1600 7.3 IDI Diesel 208,000 miles 1993 K3500 6.5 Turbo Diesel 270,000 miles, (By pass oil filter) 1995 C3500HD 6.5 Turbo Diesel 246,000 miles 1999 Grand Prix 3.1 105,000 miles 2005 GTO LS2 140,000 miles, (By pass oil filter) 2008 Vibe 1.8 299,000 miles |
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I agree on the oil filter quality being important. I usually search out for the deep filters and avoid the shallow ones. In the 69 Bird/400 w/ac I'm using the Wix 51049 filter.
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Those Purolator boss filters are nice- they are smaller than most so good for headers
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I get Valvoline VR1 at the local Rural King store for $4.99 a quart, cheapest I've found.
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If those 6.5 Turbos have never been apart you’re doing much better than most I’ve seen which tend to go bad at 150-200,000 miles.
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Keep doing what you're doing and you'll be just fine. Delo or Rotella....Iv'e run either one with no issues.....and my engines stay together without problems for decades, not a couple of years.
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They also had a propensity to crack cylinder heads from overheating, and blow headgaskets. ARP studs and good headgaskets usually solve that problem, but mine still have the factory bolts in the heads, one in the 95 is bubbling in the radiator so it probably has either a cracked head or a headgasket starting to go, I just acquired that one within the last 30 days, we'll see what happens with it. The 93 runs just fine, has only had a waterpump changed out since I bought it in 2011, and I had to change out the injection pump when it took a dump. They can be bought pretty cheap, and because they are mostly not heavy on electronics, you can fix them cheaply. Same engine that the military Hummers used until AM General quit making them......... I guess I lucked out with my two so far...........LOL |
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I just preferred the International 6.9 and 7.3s that Ford used a lot more as they were pretty tough engines. You just can’t expect them of the 6.5s to compete with these new diesels but they are much more simple and cheaper to repair.
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Menards has VR1 $4.99 qt.
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Lucas Hot Rod & Classic (High Zinc) 20/50 oil works well for my old school engines, no additives needed.
Some say it's pricey, I say you pay for what you need |
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Rotella T with a ZZDP additive.
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I use Amsoil Z-Rod 10W-30. Brad Penn and Joe Gibbs driven have similar offerings, and I am sure they work just fine.
I am not one to play chemist by adding a bottle of ZDDP to the oil. How much is enough? How much is too much? Here are the specifications on Amsoil Z-Rod for those that are interested: Silicon = 4 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number) Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) Magnesium = 11 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) Calcium = 2908 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) Barium = 4 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2927 ppm Zinc = 1431 ppm (anti-wear) Phos = 1441 ppm (anti-wear) Moly = 52 ppm (anti-wear) Total anti-wear = 2924 ppm Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor) Sodium = 0 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor) TBN = 8.3 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates) Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.6 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness. This oil is suitable for Classic Cars, High HP Street Hotrods and Street/Strip cars, as well as many dedicated race cars (including flat tappet setups and those with bronze dist gears). Last edited by propuckstopper; 01-04-2020 at 12:19 AM. |
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ZDDP = small bottle to oil change, NO Chemistry degree needed! Its under 4 ounces.
Funny the anti foaming stuff gets posted. This is why you don't need the oil over 212 degrees... |
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