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The auto trans W-30 455 and the little brother W-31 350 used the smaller 308* camshaft - and Crane sold a "Fireball" cam that was a very close replacement. The W-30 stick cars got the 328* version, and no power brakes.

In the W-31 350, with its 4.057 x 3.385 bore and stroke, the shift points were as high as you dared to run it. and it got a very specific harmonic balancer that's Big Money today. They're rev happy little monsters without a lot of effort.

One of the members of an Olds forum I used to be on - was a GM assembly plant manager during the musclecar years.... told us that the advertised HP of many of the musclecars was the curb weight divided by 10. So it weighs 3700#? 370hp! And the engine did that number but it wasn't anywhere near the peak output in many cases. Yes, theyre all 100hp engines... somewhere on the curve.

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If anyone has the .050", .100" and .200" duration numbers, that would tell a much clearer story. For reasons we can all relate to, the opening ramps were very gentle and slow on even the factory HP cams. The W-30 cam has a nasty snarly idle sound, and good power for the day. I wanted to attach a little video of a real 100% stock W-30 I looked at and got running after sitting 12 years. This was the original W30 Vista Cruiser Wonder Wagon, one of three built by Hurst and owned by Joe Mondello. Sounded great after a long hibernation. If someone is interested enough, and wants to PM me, I will be glad to e-mail you the Quick Time movie I took of the car. Its 150 MB and I have no idea how to post it here directly.
I believe this is Comp Cams "Factory Muscle" version of the W30 cam.
Duration @ .050" is 233 in/ex.

https://www.compcams.com/factory-mus...e-260-455.html


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First you must decide which is the real W-30 cam. And the source for that number. Comp uses the 402194 specs.

Mondello the noted Olds experts state their W-30 Factory Reproduction Cam as part number MW-30 Hydraulic Camshaft here:

https://mondelloperformance.com/prod...lic-camshafts/

As noted in post number 7

One source:

Two cams for the hi-perf 455's. One, #402194, is for the 390 HP, the other is #402569. This is for the W-30 unit

The 402194 specs are: (.050") 232*/232*x (Adv.) 308*/308* x .474"/.474" x 113* LS.

The 402569 specs are: (.050") 244*/244* x (Adv.) 328*/328* x .475"/.475" x 110* LS.


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Thanks for clearing that up Steve C.
I was unaware of the bigger cam.
I looked up the link you left and it appears the smaller cam was used in the 350 W31 engine, while the larger one was used in the 455 W30 engine.
...interesting. Everything I've ever read, heard, seen on the subject always said both engines used the same cam.
Sounds like that may not have necessarily been the case.

A quick question - Do you know if the first cam seen in that link (JM-18-20) is the '64 Spec 442 cam from the 330 engine?


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The Pontiac split lift profile works goos in Olds engines. A top renown builder and Carb specialist s decades experience saying the Pontiac cam profile is superior.

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Olds 1964 Spec 442
330 Cid
310 HP

Olds Camshaft Specifications 1964-1977

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387484 52 278/282 .430/.432 330 Police Pursuit
577994 36 250/264 .380/.390 330 2BC, D88 2BC

https://oldsjunction.classicoldsmobi...ofcam.htm#Cams


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The only 455 engines I am aware of to receive the same cam as the w31 350 (308/308) cam were the 68-69 Hurst Olds cars which were 390 hp. One of the McClarens here is built up like a Hurst Olds 455. But has C heads instead of D’s. It has a noticeable ruff idle. The w33 390 hp police 455 had the smaller #400165 285/287 cam like the w30 autos in 70. Lots and lots of Olds 455s get refitted with the 308/308 and call it the W30 cam. It seems like it is a popular cam for a 455 Olds like the 041 type grinds in a Pontiac 455.


I used some single pattern cams similar to the Olds cams in Pontiacs for some dirt track racing. My opinion is the most of Olds 455 engines need the extra duration on the exhaust. More so than many Pontiacs. The cheater version of the w30 had about 20 more degrees on the exhaust than the intake. That is a big split. E/I ratio on the Olds heads is lower than most Pontiac heads.

Here is a Hurst Olds car test. You can year the ruff idle right away. It ran good, best et was a low 13 @ 107 mph. Cool old video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kuGjbKUYADs


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Did I miss something? What does this video/race have to do with the W30 Olds Cam Specs? Is the Firebird running a W30 profile cam?

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Olds 1964 Spec 442
330 Cid
310 HP

Olds Camshaft Specifications 1964-1977

1964
387484 52 278/282 .430/.432 330 Police Pursuit
577994 36 250/264 .380/.390 330 2BC, D88 2BC

https://oldsjunction.classicoldsmobi...ofcam.htm#Cams


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Thanks Steve. Guess i was mistaken.

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Did I miss something? What does this video/race have to do with the W30 Olds Cam Specs? Is the Firebird running a W30 profile cam?
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Nothing missed , My bad to not be more clear.
Intention to just inform on comparison performance in cam testing.
Olds VS Pontiac cams.
The thread had cam specs and comments concerning them, one VS the other.

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