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Old 11-29-2019, 08:34 PM
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Default 71 TA on eBay -- nice docs / low miles...

.... OK the low mileage doesn't mean much with this one. A real sad dog story.

But interesting that it has both the Body and Chassis broadcast sheets still with it. Very unusual to have those with these cars...


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Pontia...YAAOSwxlxd4E6S

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Old 11-29-2019, 09:01 PM
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Anybody want to offer an opinion on value?
It's very close to me. Aaand I like it..lol

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Old 11-29-2019, 09:21 PM
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wow;
It's crusty, but it has so much going for it!
I hope it finds a good home and is resurrected!!

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needs to be restored, regardless of rust. Who's gonna step up? weranc55? Telly Shevalli?

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Old 11-29-2019, 09:31 PM
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Agreed! That one needs to be saved.

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Old 11-29-2019, 09:36 PM
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Agreed! That one needs to be saved.
Whats going on with our Lucerne Rob?

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Old 11-29-2019, 09:37 PM
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there was a discussion about same '71 a while back. Listed on Craigslist, twice. later the seller joined PY, & several of us commented on condition & i remember advising to take the time to pull the engine, disassemble, & note the damage, then one would know what he was up against. The engine was definitely a Waterdog. drivers side 197 head was severely rust damaged where #1 exhaust flange met the exhaust manifold. At the time, my thought was wish it was a factory Lucerne blue M22 project, as it should go reasonable & I have a TON of Original parts to save such a '71. Hindsight, glad it wasn't as have enough projects not needing near that amt of metalwork.

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Old 11-29-2019, 11:01 PM
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there was a discussion about same '71 a while back. Listed on Craigslist, twice. later the seller joined PY, & several of us commented on condition & i remember advising to take the time to pull the engine, disassemble, & note the damage, then one would know what he was up against. The engine was definitely a Waterdog. drivers side 197 head was severely rust damaged where #1 exhaust flange met the exhaust manifold. At the time, my thought was wish it was a factory Lucerne blue M22 project, as it should go reasonable & I have a TON of Original parts to save such a '71. Hindsight, glad it wasn't as have enough projects not needing near that amt of metalwork.
I vaguely recall that one...another white one, but I think it may have been a different car. Further south?

This one hasn't had its engine in it in a long time - story says it's been in a garage.



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Agreed! That one needs to be saved.
Yep. Original engine, great documentation, nice spec -- sure would be nice to see it restored.

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Old 11-30-2019, 12:33 PM
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That car is for the young and enthusiastic. Not for the old and jaded.

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Old 11-30-2019, 04:30 PM
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Sad....

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Old 11-30-2019, 04:44 PM
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I wouldn't lose any sleep sending this car to the crusher. One thing I've learned in the last 10 years is that life is WAY too short to be dealing with rusty and old junk cars. If I could get all the time and money back I wasted in my 20's and early 30's ...

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Old 11-30-2019, 05:25 PM
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i think this would be another great candidate for another "rust free" type thread...

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Old 11-30-2019, 09:28 PM
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Hindsight, glad it wasn't as have enough projects not needing near that amt of metalwork.
As noted by Dens71TA , that was a different White 71 TA 4spd - in similar terrible condition - but worse in different ways.
It was in North Carolina.
Engine had always been in the car - and still was.

I kept pondering to go see it, possibly get it -sanitize and investigate it thoroughly- then Flip It.
But was afraid i would end up keeping it somehow.
Don't know what happened with that car, but he was a motivated seller.

Tried to find the threads on it. But can't find them.
Thought it had one in this section and one in the For Sale section.

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Old 11-30-2019, 09:37 PM
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No Title on the West Virginia subject car.
Wonder if it still has the original lien against it from when it was bought new ?
And the seller doesn't want to expend on getting it cleared

It is an exceptionally odd scenario listed about its history.
Would have been during the oil embargo era too

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Old 11-30-2019, 11:09 PM
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As noted by Dens71TA , that was a different White 71 TA 4spd - in similar terrible condition - but worse in different ways.
It was in North Carolina.
Engine had always been in the car - and still was.

I kept pondering to go see it, possibly get it -sanitize and investigate it thoroughly- then Flip It.
But was afraid i would end up keeping it somehow.
Don't know what happened with that car, but he was a motivated seller.

Tried to find the threads on it. But can't find them.
Thought it had one in this section and one in the For Sale section.
BVZ, Here's the link to the NC TA https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=1971+trans
I think he started @ $12.5k but ended up at less than $4k.
Not sure if he sold it or not?

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Old 12-01-2019, 12:41 AM
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No title is an issue, you can restore someone else's car and then hand them the keys...

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Old 12-01-2019, 02:06 AM
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Thanks Steve
Man that poor thing was so sad.
Not even a base mustang deserved that much neglect and punishment.

It was going to need EVERYTHING to come from a donor car, plus some more TA stuff, then a big roll of the dice on the drivetrain.

Feel almost certain he was able to sell it though.

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Old 12-01-2019, 04:55 AM
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Gotta love all that paperwork though! And almost the polar opposite condition of the car itself.

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Old 12-01-2019, 07:58 PM
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I was all set to buy the NC TA but the seller refused to give me directions on where to go to see it. I wanted to see the car first to insure that everything in the pictures was still there before I paid him.

Despite me asking for directions multiple times, he kept saying we'd meet at his bank, I'd pay him, then we'd go to the car.

Uhh.... no that's not how this works so it was a Red flag for me. I backed out as I'm not going to drive 10 hours just to the heck of it. He got mad and told me he was being %100 honest with me but still no directions.

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Old 12-01-2019, 09:46 PM
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Gotta love all that paperwork though! And almost the polar opposite condition of the car itself.
I agree with you.
Wild ordeal on this vehicle, things happen from A to Z and whatever remains is the only balance that can be had in the end.

All those documents from new managed to be kept intact and in good shape.
Except ..... the Title to the Car ?

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