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Good evening everyone, I know there is a bunch of people here who are using the Summit 2802 camshafts. Does anyone happen to know or remember what the number stampings were in the end of the camshaft? I'm just trying to verify that I have the correct camshaft. I have contacted Summit, but haven't has a reply as of yet.

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I've got a 2802 sitting on the shelf. It has "E1221R" (stamped numbers/letters) and "Z014" (made up of multiple "dots")

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I've got a 2802 sitting on the shelf. It has "E1221R" (stamped numbers/letters) and "Z014" (made up of multiple "dots")
Thanks, I really appreciate it. Ours has "Z14" (made up of multiple dots) and it has "1794" (stamped numbers). During my research, I found that Summit also offers a "1794" camshaft, which is a small Single Pattern 272/272 Adv 216/216@.050 .454"/.454" lift for Pontiac. I just wanted to be sure it wasn't put in a "2802" box by mistake, but after measuring the lobe lift on an exhaust lobe, it is showing .325" which is exactly what a "2802" should be. A .325" lobe lift x 1.5 rocker= .488" lift. So I have came to the conclusion that the "1794" stamping must be just a coincidence. I appreciate the help

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I've got a 2802 sitting on the shelf. It has "E1221R" (stamped numbers/letters) and "Z014" (made up of multiple "dots")
Doing a bit more research, are you sure your doesn't say "E1221P"? That would indicate that it is an Elgin Camshaft, they have the exact spec as the Summit 2802, still kinda buffalo'd why mine is stamped "1794"

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Here's all the numbers/letters I could find on my 2802.
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Here's all the numbers/letters I could find on my 2802.
Thanks Ponyakr, what is the number that is stamped where the White dot is on yours, its hard for me to make out in the picture, but I can see there is a stamping there. I can see the "Z014" thats made up of multiple dots very good

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I just now talked with a tech at Summit Racing about this, and we have came to the conclusion that what I have is indeed the 2802 camshaft, that has been possibly stamped incorrectly at the manufacturer, which in this case I believe to be Elgin Camshafts. He said he wasn't allowed to tell me the manufacturer, but he said Elgin is a big possibility. The reason I believe it to be an Elgin grind, is because their "E1221P" grind is exactly the same spec as the 2802, and when I ask the Summit tech what the stampings are suppose to be on the 2802, his reply was "our 2802 should be stamped with E1221P". Now, both Elgin and Summit show a "1794" camshaft for Pontiac as well, it is a small Single Pattern on a 110° LSA. The Summit is the exact Spec of the Elgin with this cam as well. I measured an exhaust lobe on our camshaft with my caliper, and it comes out at 0.325" just as it should according to the 2802 cam card. So I think what has happened here, is the camshaft is the correct 2802, but was mistakenly stamped as the smaller 1794 single Pattern cam at Elgin.

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Just to be sure, I'd be measuring the intake lobe also and if possible, put it in an engine and degree it to see what the lobe separation angle is.

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Thanks Ponyakr, what is the number that is stamped where the White dot is on yours, its hard for me to make out in the picture, but I can see there is a stamping there. I can see the "Z014" thats made up of multiple dots very good
That "Z" looks more like a "2" to me, because the top right hand corner is round.

Those are the only numbers/letters I could make out, even using a magnifying glass.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...9&postcount=65

"... the manufacturer, which...I believe to be Elgin Camshafts...."

I suppose that's possible. I figure Summit has changed cam suppliers, just as they have changed HFT lifter suppliers, thru the years.

Paul Spots has stated that he thinks most all the common Pontiac cams are made by the same cam company & sold under lots of different brand names. Sometimes the specs are listed just very slightly different. Probably exactly the same cams. I think the cams listed as the Summit 2801, & 2802 are exactly the same cams listed as Speed Pro cams CS1022R & CS1175R.

https://www.fme-cat.com/overlays/par...0455%20Engines

https://www.fme-cat.com/overlays/par...0455%20Engines

Paul Spotts sells a cam he calls an 067 high lift. Looks the same as a Summit 2800. Says it's made by the same company that supplies Melling & others with cams. Don't know who that is. He also sells what he calls an 068 high lift, which looks like the Summit 2801. & I think he did list a 744 HL which looked like a Summit 2802.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-V8-...oAAOSw2s1Uwp5F

The cam in the Edelbrock 5057 kit looks like the Summit 2802. Edelbrock don't make their own cams. Don't know who does.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-5057/all

Also lots of brands for the popular 068 & 041 clone cams. Don't know how many brands actually grind their own. Guessing that MOST, buy from one main supplier.


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The last digit could be a "P" Where the "Z014" is stamped very consistently (like ponyakr's picture), it looks like the E1221_ was done in such a way that "E" is stamped "harder" than the "R" (or, most likely "P" as you found out). Almost as if they either had the 5 stamps in a holder and smacked the left/beginning harder or got tired if done individually by the time they got to the end!

I'll also admit I had to get a magnifying glass and light to make that out. There's also the very real possibility my poor eyesight is the culprit...

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Thanks guys, after talking with dad a bit more(he is the one telling me what stampings are on it, as I'm not currently near by), I now understand a tad bit more about the stampings. I stated earlier that it had a "Z014" made up of multiple dots, ours has just "Z14", no "0". I also found out that all the stamping are evenly spaced in a single line, so it would look like this "Z141794", but dad said only the Z14 are made up of tiny multiple dots, and the rest of it(1794) is simply stamped in normally. He is doing some more measuring on it. He also mentioned it had a blue X marking and two green dot markings on the end with the stampings as well. I appreciate all of the help

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These 2 Elgin cams look like the Summit 2800 & 2801.

https://www.competitionproducts.com/.../#.XdyTO-jYq00

https://www.competitionproducts.com/.../#.XdySi-jYq00

Cruised Ebay a little. Here's an Engine Pro brand cam that appears to be the same as the Summit 2801.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-V8-...ss!71251!US!-1

And this one looks like the Summit 2800.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-V8-....c100005.m1851


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Thanks, I've talked with Summit again today, and the guy I talked with this time also informed me that the 2802 should be stamped with E1221P. Mine is stamped Z141794. I have now measured the Intake and Exhaust lobes. The Intake lobe comes out at 0.311" and the exhaust lobe measures 0.325". Both are exactly what the 2802 is suppose to measure. So I have came to the conclusion that it is the correct 2802 camshaft that has possibly been mistakenly stamped as the smaller single pattern 1794 camshaft at the manufacture. Measuring the lobe lift tells me that is is not the smaller single pattern. Its either that, or the camshaft is from a different supplier, and it is just a coincidence that it has the 1794 included in the stamping. In the end, it doesnt matter to us, as long as we have a 2802 camshaft Lol

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Don't know what your putting it in, but I gotta tell my 2cents worth. I have 1 in my rebel now, I replaced a voo doo 702 that lost a lobe. I was afraid the metal in the engine would ruin another cam so I went cheap with the summit kit.
At the track, the 702 was just a tad quicker. But seat of pants, and tire shredding ability, and sound was much better with the 702. It also cost bout 3 times as much.

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Don't know what your putting it in, but I gotta tell my 2cents worth. I have 1 in my rebel now, I replaced a voo doo 702 that lost a lobe. I was afraid the metal in the engine would ruin another cam so I went cheap with the summit kit.
At the track, the 702 was just a tad quicker. But seat of pants, and tire shredding ability, and sound was much better with the 702. It also cost bout 3 times as much.
Thanks, the 2802 is going in a 1970 9.8-1 compression RA III 400, stock #12 Heads 70cc chamber, Ferrea stainless valves, Crower 68404 springs, Icon 14cc dish pistons, Eagle H-Beam rods, factory crank, Felpro 1016 gaskets and zero decked, stock '70 intake, 7040270 Qjet setup with Cliff Ruggles kit and parts, factory points distributor recurved by Cliff Ruggles. It is going in a numbers matching 1970 Trans Am with a TH-400, Hughes GM25-BOP converter, and either 3.55 or 3.73 gears.

I am interested in hearing the specs of the engine that you ran the 2802 in if you dont mind? Thanks

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Anyone have dyno data 2802 / 400cuin. With Good compression ?
I ran a crane cam very very close to 2802 specs in a 1968 GTO automatic with headers it needed a gear and converter for optimum results but it was sure fun in its power band

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Thanks, the 2802 is going in a 1970 9.8-1 compression RA III 400, stock #12 Heads 70cc chamber, Ferrea stainless valves, Crower 68404 springs, Icon 14cc dish pistons, Eagle H-Beam rods, factory crank, Felpro 1016 gaskets and zero decked, stock '70 intake, 7040270 Qjet setup with Cliff Ruggles kit and parts, factory points distributor recurved by Cliff Ruggles. It is going in a numbers matching 1970 Trans Am with a TH-400, Hughes GM25-BOP converter, and either 3.55 or 3.73 gears.

I am interested in hearing the specs of the engine that you ran the 2802 in if you dont mind? Thanks
It's a 60k mile, out of a 73 Bonnie 455. Rings, bearings, 400 heads,stock intake,exhaust manifolds. Only mods, I built a cliff book q-jet, and had the lunati 702 cam, with recommended springs. 2.5 dual exhaust. The 702 is a great cam for a stockish build. Idled bout 600rpm with a stock converter. Pulls hard off idle to bout 4800-5K.

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"...The 702 is a great cam for a stockish build...."


Just curious as to the current price of one of these Voodoo cams. So, I Googled it.

Best price i found was about $146 shipped, from an Amazon & Ebay seller. No tax. If Amazon ships stuff, they now charge me tax, as does Summit. Can still find Ebay & Amazon sellers who don't charge tax. As the cost of parts gets up to $100 & more, the tax makes a difference, for low budget guys. So, I always consider this, when pricing parts. The day may come when ALL online sales will require tax charges. I'm sure all the "brick & mortar" stores wish it was law NOW.

https://www.amazon.com/Lunati-105107.../dp/B01A863XG8

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Voodoo-219-....c100005.m1851

Summit price for this cam is about $163 + tax, unless you can talk the salesman into a price match or reduction of some sort.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-10510702/

Jegs price is $150 + tax. I'm sure Summit will match or beat that.

https://www.jegs.com/i/Lunati/638/10510702/10002/-1

Some sites won't reveal either the shipping or tax charges 'til AFTER you give them all your other info, and JUST before you click the final BUY button. I very seldom ever buy from those sellers. Many sellers have an option to "estimate" the total price. This provides a quick way to compare total shipped prices. May not concern some, but is important to low buck buyers.


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. The day may come when ALL online sales will require tax charges.
That day is here. They passed legislation about 2 months ago that all internet sales will have taxes. It's just taking a while for all places to get on board. Summit and Jegs are both charging tax now, as well as some ebay and a few of the vendors I deal with. Some however haven't changed yet but I suspect they will the first of the year.

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That day is here. They passed legislation about 2 months ago that all internet sales will have taxes. It's just taking a while for all places to get on board. Summit and Jegs are both charging tax now, as well as some ebay and a few of the vendors I deal with. Some however haven't changed yet but I suspect they will the first of the year.
So, that's a good reason for some to buy certain parts before the new year.

It's a good bet that Summit, Jegs, & Amazon love it that others will have to charge tax. Will make it much more profitable to match prices. Will probably eliminate lots of Ebay & Amazon sellers.

That reminds me, for those who will buy Chinese made products, we've found that you can, for most items, buy MUCH cheaper, if you buy from sellers who ship from China. TJ recently ordered some boots. It has been several weeks now. They still haven't come. She checked with the seller. The boots are still on the way. I suppose most of that stuff comes over on a "slow boat from China", literally.

This year, I ordered some cheap little car parts, on Ebay. Never even thought to see where they'd be shipped from. After they didn't arrive in about 2 weeks, I checked the order. Yep, coming from China. The parts did arrive, eventually. Now, when I see that a part I'm lookin at seems to have a much lower price than others, I look to see where it's shipped from. MOST of the time, it's shipped from China. The price is lower because at least one middleman has been eliminated. I suppose there might be SOME people who could save quite a bit, on SOME stuff they are not in a hurry for. Obviously wouldn't be good for stuff that might need to be returned or warranted, for some reason.


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