[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

And a high port did? No one said an ehead made more than your engine... he said it made more power N/a and Boosted than highports...
Like I said...reading comprehension eludes you
.. maybe you should read slooooooower...

Nope, sorry but he (dragncar) said it wrong (IMO). He said .......YOUR head, he didn't SAY HP heads.......BIG difference! Anyways the point being that the TOP Heads up Pontiac racers are switching from E-heads to go QUICKER....theres a reason! Scott go be Water Boy for the Pro Mod Crew you're helping! Nuff said!
KREHPHTTF!


GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Nope, sorry but he (dragncar) said it wrong (IMO). He said .......YOUR head, he didn't SAY HP heads.......BIG difference! Anyways the point being that the TOP Heads up Pontiac racers are switching from E-heads to go QUICKER....theres a reason! Scott go be Water Boy for the Pro Mod Crew you're helping! Nuff said!
KREHPHTTF!


GTO George

"YOUR" head meant exactly the High Port. I wrote it, everyone else got it but you it seems.
The reason I wrote besides cracking on you weird hatred of the Edelbrock Pontiac cylinder head. Which by the way, started ALL of this. We would not have all the high performance aftermarket if not for that one part.
Still, the High Port is a better head. But........... for whatever reason the old Edelbrock head still has the High Port beat in ultimate Pontiac power.
Stop cracking on it. It makes you look bad.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Can you name someone that has tried to make big power with HP heads either boosted or NA (like Leech and his e-heads)?
Why was Mike Leech switching to HP heads if they weren't going to make more power?
Can someone tell me who has HP heads with twin turbos?

YOU.
Your heads out flowed Mikes. Had a bazillion intakes. Bottom end same grade as Mikes.
Made less.
Mike was going to High Ports because he seen 10 secs High Ports in Johns shop, picked up one of his extra pistons that was there and put it to the chamber and though it would work. He told me he though John could get 480cfm out of them.
If he was going to go to a 2x4 sheet metal it made more sense to do it with High Ports than his E heads.
I will beat his engine over the heads of all the E head bashers until someone does better with High Ports. They all seem to be High Port guys.
Mikes was just a remarkable engine.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

High Ports are a better head than old school E heads right ? Raised port, better chamber. Out of the box flow far more. Max ported flow far more too. Best HP numbers are Marcells 462cfm. Best E head might be Siks 420cfm. ( I know, its about cross section but for the sake of argument)
I know of no NA High Port engine that beat Mikes. Any boosted HP engine making more than Chief ? Doubt it.
Its just that to date, E heads still rule the argument.
But, Leech was going to a High Port for a reason.

Mikes engine made a lot of power and ran good....but the oil pan had a zipper on it and he had to have put tons on money in it and ran its best times in 40 something degree temps (instant horse power).
Remember just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be.....and I'm talking about HP heads, racers are going to the KRE Warp heads instead of the HP's (Warp heads came out a couple of years after the HP's). There are a lot of racers out there that race out there that don't visit this web site or do but don't post that have really impressive cars, just because you dont know or haven't read about it doesn't make it so!
Most not all Pontiac racers (like you) are cheap, they'll spend money on getting an engine to make LOTS of power (turbos, Nitrous) but only use a stock block or cheap rods & crank or 2 bolt mains with no or very little safety stuff stuff and grab the cheapest heads they can get away with. Get your Head out of your BUTT!


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

"YOUR" head meant exactly the High Port. I wrote it, everyone else got it but you it seems.
The reason I wrote besides cracking on you weird hatred of the Edelbrock Pontiac cylinder head. Which by the way, started ALL of this. We would not have all the high performance aftermarket if not for that one part.
Still, the High Port is a better head. But........... for whatever reason the old Edelbrock head still has the High Port beat in ultimate Pontiac power.
Stop cracking on it. It makes you look bad.

Who in the HECK is everyone else.....Scott maybe, damn son there are thousands of people on this web site, get a LIFE!
YOU keep for forgetting.......Wensler "started" it all not Edelbrock!
............and by the way I DID NOT make any bad remarks about the e-head!!


GTO George

[twooldgoats]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

.......Wensler "started" it all not Edelbrock!...


GTO George

And Wenzler's are still making big power.......in my car!!


Jim

[chiefbigb]

Train yet again runs off the cliff.

[twooldgoats]

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

Train yet again runs off the cliff.

What would you expect with a thread with this title??

[opeliac]

For the cost, durability, and proven performances...You'll have a hard time beating the Edelbrock heads...

Comparing their performance ability, against the WARP head seems to be one of the dumbest things that i've read in awhile.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by opeliac

For the cost, durability, and proven performances...You'll have a hard time beating the Edelbrock heads...

Comparing their performance ability, against the WARP head seems to be one of the dumbest things that i've read in awhile.

I looked back and didn't see anyone comparing the e heads to the warp heads......now drangncar compared the e heads to the HP heads......but that was it!


GTO George

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

YOU.
Your heads out flowed Mikes. Had a bazillion intakes. Bottom end same grade as Mikes.
Made less.
Mike was going to High Ports because he seen 10 secs High Ports in Johns shop, picked up one of his extra pistons that was there and put it to the chamber and though it would work. He told me he though John could get 480cfm out of them.
If he was going to go to a 2x4 sheet metal it made more sense to do it with High Ports than his E heads.
I will beat his engine over the heads of all the E head bashers until someone does better with High Ports. They all seem to be High Port guys.
Mikes was just a remarkable engine.

I had 2 intakes, doesn't seem like a bazillion to me. I was 511ci to his 565ish (50ci isn't worth hp?). I ran 2 yrs on valve springs and head gaskets, he changed head gasket quite often, i never test a single cam he tested multiple cams, i never tested carbs, he tested multiple carbs. He tested and tested.
My short block was basically unchanged for 7yrs, only big change was intake.
I don't think im anywhere near his league. Im lazy and set up my car so it requires almost no maintenance. Leech worked his butt off.

[johnta1]

set up my car so it requires almost no maintenance.

Bracket racer I guess?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Bracket racer I guess?

He meant minimal passes

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

He meant minimal passes

About 100-150 passes on head gaskets and springs (heads gasket and springs always looked/tested good i just changed them to be safe). So yes not many passes compared to most.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

Looks good Jeff. Any chance it will hit the track this year?

Not this year, will have engine next week then will have headers made end of next month. After that I will pull it and take it to engine dyno. I will be ready for testing early next year. That's the plan anyway.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by JD

Smart move by plugging and welding the casting plugs on the ends of each head.

Also, are you pushing water from the water pump through a second pump under the manifold which then pushes cooler water over the center exhaust valves from the intake side of the head?

Yes we are running a second pump to move water across the center of the head.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by JD

Didn't you get more PPH with the plate? Are you switching for the additional tuning cylinder to cylinder?

You can spray unlimited with a plate but around 1900 pph or 2000 pph it gets a little un happy. Lol. Yea the fogger will help with the tuning side plus a .046 in a fogger will be more than I sprayed with the plate

[Mean Green]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

Not this year, will have engine next week then will have headers made end of next month. After that I will pull it and take it to engine dyno. I will be ready for testing early next year. That's the plan anyway.

Selling your old headers?

[LiL Jack]

We need the CV1 guys back on PY

[grandville455]

Looks Great Jeff! Should run killer times!