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#1
02-10-2014, 01:00 PM
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High torque mini starter ?
My son got his 68 GTO 400 back from the engine re builder. We would like to replace the starter with a mini. Looking on line some say they won't fit ram air exhaust manifolds.
We had the oe one up there and had plenty of room  Brent is running ram air restorations round port manifolds. What brand,quality,will work with his combo ? Thanks Bill |
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#2
02-10-2014, 01:37 PM
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I'm using one and it clears my 67 400 with RA exhaust just fine. I have the Hi Torque Brand.
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#3
02-10-2014, 01:45 PM
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IMI for me...
IMI Hi-Torque mini-starter in three Pontiacs
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Les Iden ---------------------------- '65 Buick Sport Wagon Custom, 340, T350, 3:23 '66 GTO Post/468, 700R4, 3.31 (Mike's as of 9-16) '68 Grand Prix/455, dual AFBs, T400, 2:93 posi (sold) '72 TA tribute/461, T400, 3.08, (Russ's as of 9-16) '97 Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder Turbo, Konis, 5 speed '09 Torrent GXP, nav, Sun & Sound pkg., Bilsteins |
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#4
02-10-2014, 01:57 PM
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 frittering and wasting the hours in an off hand way.... 1969 GTO, 455ci, 230/236 Pontiac Dude's "Butcher Special" Comp hyd roller cam with Crower HIPPO solid roller lifters, Q-jet, Edelbrock P4B-QJ, Doug's headers, ported 6X-8 (97cc) heads, TKO600, 3.73 geared Eaton Tru-Trac 8.5", hydroboost, rear disc brakes......and my greatest mechanical feat....a new heater core. 
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#5
02-10-2014, 03:11 PM
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Im using the Summit brand mini starter. It works very good, and is rather small. It spins real fast also.
I still had fitment issues with my headers though. I had to flip the mini starter upside down to get it to fit.
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#6
02-10-2014, 04:33 PM
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I just put one on to clear long branch RAREs from py. IMI starter with the same patent number as the one i bought off ebay a few years back. I had to buy another starter because i couldn't find just the mounting block. (trans mount to block mount)
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It's hard to soar like an eagle, when you're surrounded by turkeys! My wife says she'd llike my car a lot more if it wasn't mine.   64 Grand Prix 389 .030, 1.65 Scorpion Rollers, Tripower, RARE Long Branch, Custom Stainless Exhaust and mufflers, 3.90 posi 200-4R. 068 cam. |
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#7
02-10-2014, 07:24 PM
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Quote:
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#8
02-10-2014, 07:33 PM
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This is a RobbMc with round port manifolds
Dave
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02-10-2014, 08:27 PM
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Here are the two I have. One is imi
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It's hard to soar like an eagle, when you're surrounded by turkeys! My wife says she'd llike my car a lot more if it wasn't mine. 64 Grand Prix 389 .030, 1.65 Scorpion Rollers, Tripower, RARE Long Branch, Custom Stainless Exhaust and mufflers, 3.90 posi 200-4R. 068 cam. |
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#10
02-10-2014, 09:53 PM
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RARE sells a mini which I installed in my 69 bird with the LB manifolds after the Summit mini wouldn't clear...
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Will Rivera '69 Firebird 400/461, 290+ E D-Ports, HR 230/236, 4l80E, 8.5 Rear, 3.55 gears '64 LeMans 400/461, #16 Heads, HR 230/236, TKO600, 9inch Rear, 3.89 gears '69 LeMans Vert, 350, #47 heads: Non-running project |
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#11
02-10-2014, 10:03 PM
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Ive tried a few,,,some hit the oil pan lip requiring you to flatten it .I bought a robmmc which all you do is loosen 2 bolts and you can clock it where you want and it also clears the oil pan lip .This one is what I would definitely recommend.
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72 lemans,455 e-head, UD 255/263 solid flat,3.73 gears,,,10" 4400 converter,, 6.68 at 101.8 mph,,1.44 60 ft.2007 (cam 271/278 roller)9"CC.4.11gear 6.41 at 106.32 mph 1.42 60 ft.(2009) SOLD,SOLD 1970 GTO 455 4 speed #matching,, 3.31 posi.Stock manifolds. # 64 heads.A factory mint tuquoise ,69' judge stripe car. 8.64 @ 87.3 mph on slippery street tires.Bad 2.25 60ft.Owned since 86' |
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#12
02-10-2014, 10:18 PM
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RobbMc here too
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 1973 Firebird Navajo Orange w/shaker,1973 400/461,1972 Intake SD CNC'd,1977 Q-Jet 800 CFM w/ Cliffs Kit,Tanks Inc PA4 255 Walbro intank pump ,-8an feed/return,RobbMc Regulator,RobbMc 40 micron filter,253 CFM 6x-8's w/H.S 1:5 Roller Rockers,SD Stump Puller H/R Cam 230/236 @.050 112 lobe separation 565/.570 lift,Crower Solid Rollers,28150 Hedman Headers,3" exhaust,full tailpipes,350 Turbo,9.5" 3200 Converter,3:42 gear,8.5 posi,C/E slide-alinks,Koni adj frt shocks,Best 12.18@110.55 Lookin for 11's
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#13
02-11-2014, 12:34 AM
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If you want years of trouble free service, find a mini with a front nose support for the drive. The starter drive will thank you for that. Most of these mini starters are built from Toyota and Nissan gear reduction starters, which are good starters, but they were designed for 4 and 6 cylinder engines. When being used in V-8 engines, cranking exerts extra side load on the drive which in turn wears it out much quicker than it would on a 4 cylinder engine. I think All Pontiac might sell one with a nose support bushing.
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#14
02-11-2014, 12:46 AM
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Thanks a bunch all
Looks like we be going with the RobbMc Will see if made in the "USA" means what it used too.  Thanks Bill |
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#15
02-11-2014, 01:04 AM
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Another vote for the IMI Hi-Torque. Mine has provided trouble-free performance for the past 7 years (daily driver).
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#16
02-11-2014, 07:48 AM
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The RobbMc is available with the Pinion Support Modification.
Dave
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02-11-2014, 07:53 AM
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Also have a RobbMC with the RARE manifolds.
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#18
02-11-2014, 08:35 PM
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Hi guys, long time Pontiac owner, first post on this forum.
I have a power master on my 69 Gto, round port heads and Doug's headers. No fitment issues. Plenty of adjustability designed into the starter. I have only had one issue. The brushes wore out kind I fast (likely under 500 starts). $20 bucks and I got a new set of brushes, replaced in 10 minutes. Mini starters are the way to go. |
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#19
06-17-2014, 10:25 PM
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Any other brands able to mount with the solenoid facing downwards like this with ram air manifolds? Perhaps a little paranoia setting in after this unfortunate event, but I'd like to get the cables as far away from the block and manifolds as possible (and would like to save a few bucks unless I can find a used RobbMc out there).
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#20
06-18-2014, 06:32 AM
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I believe the Powermaster Mastertorque Starter 9610 is completely adjustable.
Dave
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