[242177P]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Not even close! LOL!


GTO George

2000 passes works if you set up a wormhole in the traps.
Good news, you get one hell of a running start at the tree.
Bad news, you get a big ol' red light every pass thereafter.

[Tom Vaught]

Whatever you say, 242177P.

Well, Charlie, Thanks for the verufication info that you don't need massive headers to make power with a turbo unless you are on a dyno.

The Transition and how quickly the turbo responds. Speaking of Turbos, has anyone run sub 1.0 60 ft times with their vehicles.

Tom V.

[RAIV-Z]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Custom Made Turbo Headers


If you called or went to a shop like McLaren Engineering on 8 mile road in Livonia, Michigan, (248) 477-6240, and asked to speak with Richard Cole you could get possibly get some very nice Stainless Headers made. Richard is one of there Best Fabricators there. He works with a guy named Don Bazinski (another outstanding fabricator).

Richard is also a Pontiac Guy so he would have a Pontiac Block and heads laying around that could be used to help fabricate the turbo headers. Vs you shipping a block and heads.

I have not talked to him since I retired a couple of years ago.

Not cheap but super high quality work.

Tom V.

It depends if you wanted stainless Log type manifolds like 455 Turbo (pic Below) used to build or you wanted swoopie stainless "The Raven" type Turbo Headers.

I'm not using upward "swoopie" headers on the Raven, they didn't fit and would have been a maintenance nightmare. We updated the packaging a bit.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by RAIV-Z

I'm not using upward "swoopie" headers on the Raven, they didn't fit and would have been a maintenance nightmare. We updated the packaging a bit.

Thanks for the update. I remember the old exhaust system from years ago.
Your current system looks really nice.

Tom V.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 242177P

2000 passes works if you set up a wormhole in the traps.
Good news, you get one hell of a running start at the tree.
Bad news, you get a big ol' red light every pass thereafter.

That’s funny!


GTO George

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

My Moldex crank only cost me $3,250! If i could crank my boost up to around 20 more (that would be about 31 lbs of boost) 2000 HP would be a piece of cake!


GTO George

That would be cool George. You should try it. I wish my crank was as cheap as yours. Unfortunately its just me and one other guy that runs these pontiac 4 cylinders so the demand is less so they charge more to make one ..

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Hang in there Charlie. History says it is possible, what you are trying to do.

168 Cubic Inch 4 cylinder Indy Car Engine (44 psi of boost) made over 1000 hp with One Turbo.
And this was with 1968 Technology parts. That is less than 1/3rd the size of George's boosted engine.
And the engine ran for 500 miles, that would be 2000 drag strip passes, lol.

You have probably 30 more cubic inches of displacement, and you were not far from 40 psi of boost pressure with a good cylinder head. You just need to get the crank durability sorted out.

Tom V.

Yeah im really curious what this new turbo can produce. I can feel the power increase in the higher boost levels over the old turbo..

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Whatever you say, 242177P.

Well, Charlie, Thanks for the verufication info that you don't need massive headers to make power with a turbo unless you are on a dyno.

The Transition and how quickly the turbo responds. Speaking of Turbos, has anyone run sub 1.0 60 ft times with their vehicles.

Tom V.

You told me a long time ago what a 2 1/2 " pipe could produce . So being it was more then i can make curently i tried the smaller header / log design and guess what , it worked.. ! lol.

Sometimes i feel like people dont get when i say i made 800+ hp. I think they comprehend it as its from an 8cyl.. They dont realize that my engines state is the same as driving around with a 1600 hp motor V8. Same thing going on in my cylinder head as that 1600 hp motor and with a small stroke no less, not a stroker .. Its an every day challenge with the different changes in weather to keep it from burning up..

[johnta1]

Sometimes i feel like people dont get when i say i made 800+ hp.

I'd say that you make 200 HP per cylinder.
Or so many HP/CID?

Let them do the math?

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I'd say that you make 200 HP per cylinder.
Or so many HP/CID?

Let them do the math?

198ci .

What i mean is , its from the common assumption of everone has a 8cyl. So even though i have a 4cyl they hear 8cyl. So 800hp is no big deal coming from a boosted V8.

I can't tell you how many times i go to car show and standing in front of the hood open for 10 minutes or so when someone all of a sudden goes "holysh!@t" Its a 6 cyl or oh wait no its a 4 cyl. Its all the time.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by charlie66

You told me a long time ago what a 2 1/2 " pipe could produce . So being it was more then i can make curently i tried the smaller header / log design and guess what , it worked.. ! lol.

You have to stop listening to me Charlie, nobody (except you), thinks I know squat about boosted engines and how to design them properly.

Like John W says you are making the same HP per cylinder as a 1600 HP 400 cid engine. It is all about HP per Cubic Inch, not about how big their engine is vs your engine. One guy make 2.45 HP or even 2.75 HP per cid. You make 4 hp per cid, you are doing good Charlie.
Chief is making a lot more HP per CID vs some of those 600/700 cid engines on SO. And the engine is durable.

Tom V.

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

You have to stop listening to me Charlie, nobody (except you), thinks I know squat about boosted engines and how to design them properly. Like John W says you are making the same HP per cylinder as a 1600 HP 400 cid engine

Tom V.

You're only one i listen to. Everything you ever told me to try always worked..
Dont worry about those others , there just jeaous of your wealth of knowledges ...

and dont mistake that plural as a typo..

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by charlie66

That would be cool George. You should try it. I wish my crank was as cheap as yours. Unfortunately its just me and one other guy that runs these pontiac 4 cylinders so the demand is less so they charge more to make one ..

I would really love to crank the boost up for sh_ts & giggles but I would need to shell out the money for another blower......around $5,000! Id rather go to Hawaii again!
Although I'm not saying its NEVER going to happen.................


GTO George

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I would really love to crank the boost up for sh_ts & giggles but I would need to shell out the money for another blower......around $5,000! Id rather go to Hawaii again!
Although I'm not saying its NEVER going to happen.................


GTO George

Id go to Hawaii..

You going to Norlkwalk this year ? Ill be there . Already got my room ..

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by charlie66

198ci .

What i mean is , its from the common assumption of everone has a 8cyl. So even though i have a 4cyl they hear 8cyl. So 800hp is no big deal coming from a boosted V8.

I can't tell you how many times i go to car show and standing in front of the hood open for 10 minutes or so when someone all of a sudden goes "holysh!@t" Its a 6 cyl or oh wait no its a 4 cyl. Its all the time.

So have you ever raced your car to confirm the dyno numbers because everyone knows how dyno numbers can be played with? The drag strip is a pretty good TELL of real HP numbers! Whats cool about boost is that you can hide a deficiency in engine size by adding more boost. Your engine is still making LOTS of HP for a 4 cylinder no matter what the number is!

GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by charlie66

Id go to Hawaii..

You going to Norlkwalk this year ? Ill be there . Already got my room ..

Don't know about Norwalk it will be a last minute thing.....its hard to
pass up the KRE Q16.....$1,000 to win....only 16 cars! Its not like a 600 car bracket race!


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Chief is making a lot more HP per CID vs some of those 600/700 cid engines on SO. And the engine is durable.

Tom V.

Im not sure that Chief is making enough HP to keep up with the other cars....Chevys & Hemi twin turbos, he's openly admitting to run Nitro and lately Nitrous in addition to his twin turbos just to keep up, thats probably why he doesn't run the No Prep stuff.....only one power adder is allowed!

GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

Good info George.

Tom V.

[GTOGEORGE]

It would be interesting to see what race cars have what for primary tubes (real numbars not someone quessing) for their turbos!


GTO George

[charlie66]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

It would be interesting to see what race cars have what for primary tubes (real numbars not someone quessing) for their turbos!


GTO George

Im not guessing.