[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

If that is the case then why did Tommy pull the Pontiac?

Stan

he’s on Facebook, you could ask him!
I’m thinking being the quickest Pontiac still wasn’t winning him any races against the other brands!

GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

he’s on Facebook, you could ask him!
I’m thinking being the quickest Pontiac still wasn’t winning him any races against the other brands!

GTO George

I am not on FaceBook.

I don't know Tommy ran a 5 second pass or a 250 MPH pass.

Stan

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Chief has run his car a million passes, where Tommy had only a handful….. damn good results for so little time on combo!


GTO George

Tommy's car was impressive, no doubt about that...But, lets keep in mind that there were some very sharp individuals involved in his car...Most of those guys will provide results in a very short time...

Its hard to compare Chief and Tommy.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Tommy's car was impressive, no doubt about that...But, lets keep in mind that there were some very sharp individuals involved in his car...Most of those guys will provide results in a very short time...

Its hard to compare Chief and Tommy.

In a perfect world it wouldn't take long................but its not!
Both twin turbo 70 GTOs pro mod cars.........not too hard to compare.

GTO George

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

In a perfect world it wouldn't take long................but its not!
Both twin turbo 70 GTOs pro mod cars.........not too hard to compare.

GTO George

George, I do understand that you are a self-appointed know it all, but some of the stuff you say makes me wonder about ya...

When you have a top tier group building a new car, tuning it on a hub dyno, and then taking it out for its shake down runs, its not hard to see good results rather quickly...Now, in my opinion, Tommy's car had a tenth or so still left in it...But, that wasnt because the people involved didnt know what they were doing...Its just the way it works...

As for you saying they are two ProMods...Well, one is on a 275 radial, and the other is on the street for most of its career...They damn sure are hard to compare...If you were smarter, you'd know the differences.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by opeliac

George, I do understand that you are a self-appointed know it all, but some of the stuff you say makes me wonder about ya...

As for you saying they are two ProMods...Well, one is on a 275 radial, and the other is on the street for most of its career...They damn sure are hard to compare...If you were smarter, you'd know the differences.

Im sorry you don't like my answer but it doesn't change anything........it is what it is!


GTO George

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Im sorry you don't like my answer but it doesn't change anything........it is what it is!


GTO George

Yes, you are correct...Your answer is your opinion...

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

The best I have for Tommy is 3.949 / 189.52 MPH @ 2900 lbs

The best I have for Justin is 3.994 / 188.21 MPH @ 2820 lbs

So just how much difference is there in HP from track performance?

Stan

As a benchmark, Boss Bird ran 196.04 mph in the 1/8th at about 2800 lbs.

Eric

[bluegoat65]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Im sorry you don't like my answer but it doesn't change anything........it is what it is!


GTO George

Well engine wise I see Cast Aluminum, blue collar, bolt ons, versus look what we whittled out of this block of billet aluminum....lol. No disrespect to either camp. Obviously Tommy went out on a purpose mission and afforded the Kauffmans to create one hell of a Pontiac engine. Chief grew the Crow over time to what it is today with mostly parts from the Butler catalog. 2820 @ 188 is knockin on 3ks door...lol. 3.99 is leaving about 800 in the wind. Add 40% nitro...who knows...hahahaha! All in fun, Peace!

[mgarblik]

Originally Posted by Elarson

As a benchmark, Boss Bird ran 196.04 mph in the 1/8th at about 2800 lbs.

Eric

Lots of low tech cast parts in that time slip too. Cast block, double roller timing chain, cast timing cover, cast blower case, cast rotors, cast valley cover. A bunch of low tech junk with a 2-speed transmission, that worked good as a package. It did have billet heads and sheet metal intake and valve covers.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by bluegoat65

Well engine wise I see Cast Aluminum, blue collar, bolt ons, versus look what we whittled out of this block of billet aluminum....lol. No disrespect to either camp. Obviously Tommy went out on a purpose mission and afforded the Kauffmans to create one hell of a Pontiac engine. Chief grew the Crow over time to what it is today with mostly parts from the Butler catalog. 2820 @ 188 is knockin on 3ks door...lol. 3.99 is leaving about 800 in the wind. Add 40% nitro...who knows...hahahaha! All in fun, Peace!

I see two high dollar Pontiac race engines.


GTO George

[Elarson]

I counted on my fingers...took 7 years to get the Boss Bird to record setting ability. Thousands of hours behind the scenes, lots of torn up parts, plenty of lost sleep, lots of consultations with our band of advisors. A deep checkbook won't produce results without a lot of effort, dedication and time. I thought Tommy's car would challenge our record but he didn't stay with it long enough.

FWIW,
Eric

[opeliac]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I see two high dollar Pontiac race engines.


GTO George

Some would say that about yours.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by opeliac

Some would say that about yours.

I do have a Pontiac race engine!
It not a cheap engine!

GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

In a perfect world it wouldn't take long................but its not!
Both twin turbo 70 GTOs pro mod cars.........not too hard to compare.

GTO George

Tommy has a 69 Judge. The best GTO, the high point of the era.

[John Langer]

Any real race team out there sets record setting times within 10-15 passes with a new car/combo. Doesn’t matter top fuel, pro stock, pro mod, rvw, pro 275 etc… just saying…

[scott70]

Originally Posted by Elarson

I counted on my fingers...took 7 years to get the Boss Bird to record setting ability. Thousands of hours behind the scenes, lots of torn up parts, plenty of lost sleep, lots of consultations with our band of advisors. A deep checkbook won't produce results without a lot of effort, dedication and time. I thought Tommy's car would challenge our record but he didn't stay with it long enough.

FWIW,
Eric

Right there!

[mgarblik]

No sure what qualifies as "real" but I guess that makes Jack Gadosh, for example not a real race team. I believe it took him two seasons to finally qualify for his first Pro Stock race. Bill Miller, ran Top fuel for decades and never won a national event or set any Top fuel records, but he arguably had a real race team. I think a race team with an unlimited budget to acquire the very best tried and true hardware and buy the best people to be on the team or contribute would fit your definition. There is always some luck involved in the equation. But then again, even having all these things still does not make you a winner or record setter. Danika Patrick's race career would be an excellent example who had it all and did very little with it.

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Tommy has a 69 Judge. The best GTO, the high point of the era.

Tommy’s car everyone is talking about on here is a 70 replica...it was never an actual car as it was built totally from scratch and uses aftermarket body panels and a completely fabricated chassis but it was meant to replicate a 70...

[Sirrotica]

That's what I thought, a 70 painted similar to a 69 judge.