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Old 06-07-2019, 12:15 PM
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it wasn't supposed to!

poverty caps, or Rally II's for me!

BTW, I recently found out that the spare set of poverty caps I bought are 1971 specific;
They need a little loving, but if you're interested, let me know.
Jonny, Sure...I'm interested in your hubcaps. Can you post some pics or PM me, or email at dennis.jensen@c2ae.com? Thanks!

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Old 06-07-2019, 11:07 PM
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Right now. A gold (?) 1970 Lemans 4 door hardtop at Frank's Pontiac Parts:

https://www.facebook.com/74458142901...type=3&theater

Someone please save it.

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1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455".
What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere?
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:19 PM
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yeah, I saw that;
It's probably a gonner.

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Old 06-08-2019, 01:56 AM
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Might be a faded "Keylime Green Poly". Intriguing color.

Could be of interest for any of the people who have expressed interest in "more door" "GTO" variants, etc.

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yeah, I saw that;
It's probably a gonner.

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1972+ Lucerne Blue 4-door hardtop "what if" T-41 Le Mans Sport GT/Grand Am concepts. Equipped with future 3" journal "455 HO"/"what if" prototype "SD 455".
What if GM had continued production of the 1970-72 GM A body somewhere in the southern hemisphere?
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Finally got the Lemans' engine transplant completed and running well. We had to change back to the 7040264 auto carb from the previous motor as we had some problems with the 7040263. We changed the primary side to 74 jets with 44 metering rods, D hanger and CC secondary rods. It idles at 750 rpm at 12 inches of vacuum with a 041 RAIV copy cam from Bullit cams ground at 112 lcl with regular hydraulic lifters, now drives smoothly without bucking and lean surging.

Now it's the GT-37's turn for attention to make road worthy.

Dennis

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Old 08-09-2019, 06:56 AM
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It's been a week already since driving down to Norwalk and the weather couldn't have been better...low to mid 80's and lower humidity than the usual past. The new motor ran cool and got 15.5 mpg average on the trip down & back (driving the back roads through lots of little towns). Even with the RAIV cam and 3.08 rear gears, it had plenty of torque and could pull away easily from 1200 rpm in any gear of the wide ratio M-20 4-speed. The only problem was the brake master cylinder starting to leak and will need a rebuild (original).

The picture is of the cars parked in the town square of Milan, OH just north of the race track.

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Old 08-09-2019, 01:16 PM
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Cool car! I saw it at Norwalk.

I read through the 10 pages of this post kinda quickly. When you were talking about a 400, 4 brl, 4 spd Lemans were you referring to a 70 model? I have a 72 Lemans that is optioned that way.

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this car is/was originally a 400-4spd car;
Dennis just increased this car's engine's displacement because he could

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this car is/was originally a 400-4spd car;
Dennis just increased this car's engine's displacement because he could
It was my understanding that the 70 4 door was originally a 350/2, 4 spd car from the first post.

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Old 08-09-2019, 02:42 PM
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oh!?

I guess I forgot this.

Whoops, my mistake.

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Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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Cool car! I saw it at Norwalk.

I read through the 10 pages of this post kinda quickly. When you were talking about a 400, 4 brl, 4 spd Lemans were you referring to a 70 model? I have a 72 Lemans that is optioned that way.
Pggto, Thanks for the compliment. I was seriously thinking about installing a 400 4-bbl to replace the 350 early on, but we had a 455 short block ready to go, so went that route instead. That was the YH 455 std. Bonneville motor with the small valve #15 heads at 10.0 to 1 compression. That motor has been removed as of a couple months ago and a 400 stroker motor (462) now takes residence in the engine bay. This new motor was in the '70 Tempest I got last December that has 260 cfm SD Performance cnc 6x8 heads with a RAIV clone cam, RA manifolds, Q-jet on an iron intake (guessing 450 hp/550 tq.). The previous 455 (.040 over) made 390 hp/510 tq through std. exhaust manifolds (logs).

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I forgot to mention that the LeMans averaged 17.5 mpg driving the back roads through the small towns of rural America with the new 462 engine backed with the original M-20 4-speed and 3.08 12-bolt rear end. The engine is a 4.25" stroker 400 block with the SD Performance CNC ported 6x-8 heads (260/210 cfm) 9.6 to 1 compression, RAIV clone cam from Bullit w/1.5 rockers, std. RA exhaust manifolds, std. cast iron 4-bbl intake and a 7040264 Q-jet. It ran great and cool for the 600 mile trip. This was driving very conservatively, btw.

I really think the smaller 3" main cranks less friction really helps efficiency quite a bit. My 455HO formula with 3.42 gears and pure stock only managed 15.2 mpg best...with 14-15 mpg the usual not getting into the secondaries.

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great!

I did once just barely exceed 20mpgs (I double checked my calculations);
in my car with 3.55:1 gears, but running a bone stock 77-P350 carb, and keeping it to 50mph - to keep the rpm's down.

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2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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That's really good Jonny! Our driving was 55-65 mph between the towns and stop & go in the towns...they all had 2-3 traffic lights and we seemed to catch every red light! I imagine at a steady state of 60 mph, it would do 18-19 mpg...20 would be wishful thinking.

Dennis

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you had better gearing than me for mileage, but you also had a much more powerful engine... I'd think that even while not under load, your engine would have vastly different fuel requirements than mine.

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Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
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True, there is only so much you can expect from a RAIV style cam. It has an LCA of 112 degrees, so a little tighter than the factory cam. It still has plenty of grunt down low, actually more than the 8.5 to 1 455HO in my Formula with the M22 close box, 3.42 rear (7.7616 A-body vs. 7.524 F-body) and the 2801 cam.

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