[TROYBOYONE]

I'm trying to identify the correct 1964 GTO Hurst shifter handle for late production vehicles. My search has listed 2 numbers. I'm not sure what the difference is. 1. #2315 2. #5387438 Can someone give me some guidance.

[xgoater]

The 2315 is the 64 one year only factory original one piece round bar (no Hurst lettering) Hurst stick (first picture).

The 5387438 is a bolt on round bar replica stick that is for 69 Camaro and Firebird (second picture).

You would need the Hurst 2390008 bottom to use any bolt on stick (third picture).

[TROYBOYONE]

xgoater: Thanks for your reply !

Does the #5387438 have the same angle as the original?

(1)The #2390008 adapter appears to raise the handle higher than the original.

(2)You state it is for a Camaro/Firebird, not Gto.

Would that be an issue in each of the 2 situations ?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

Gary

[xgoater]

Gary,

No, I would say the #5387438 does not have the same angle as the original. In fact, if I am correct, the angle of the 5387438 goes toward the driver (when looking at it from the front) and the GTO angle goes toward the passenger (when looking at it from the front). They angles are opposite of each other.

I don't think the 2390008 bottom (that's Hurst's name for it) raises the handle much, if any, higher than the original. The two piece design (bolt on stick to bottom) was intended to replace the original one piece design. So they should be practically the same. For example, you should be able to replace a complete original factory Hurst shifter with the one piece stick design with a new complete reproduction Hurst shifter with the two piece design and have the exact same configuration.

Hurst says the 5387438 is for 69 Camaro. I don't think the 5387438 would work in a GTO at all.

Picture 1 is a restored numbers correct 64 GTO Hurst shifter with the 2315 stick that I have. You can see the slight angle to the left. Picture 2 is a 69 Camaro Hurst shifter. You can see the :bottom" piece on that shifter has an elongated neck with a very substantial angle to it. Picture 3 is a diagram of the 5387438 stick. You can see it angles the opposite way of my shifter stick.

The two shifters are very different as far as the length, angle, and configuration of the stick as it comes out of the main body.

Here is the link to the Hurst shifters online website. They list only 4 round bar reproduction sticks (all bolt on) starting on page 6. I'm not aware of a reproduction round bar stick for the 64 GTO.

https://www.hurstshiftersonline.com/...er_Handles.pdf

Are you wanting to get a replacement stick for a 64 GTO shifter?

Terry

[TROYBOYONE]

xgoater: Actually I have a 1965 Gto that has a more upright handle. I don't like it.
I prefer the more angular 1964 stick. My 1st car back in the day was a 1964 Gto.

I was hoping to put the '64 stick on my '65 shifter. What do you think ?

[Tom Vaught]

The guts on a 1964 Shifter will fit right into a 1965 Shifter, but why just change the stick?

If you want to really change things just put a 64 Shifter on your 65, direct bolt up.
They are still out there on the bay.

Tom V.

[TROYBOYONE]

Tom Vaught: If I can buy a 1964 handle only for less than $70.00, and attach it to my existing mounted 1965 shifter, wouldn't that be the easier and more cost effective way to accomplish what I want?

[xgoater]

Gary,

OK, I see what you want to do now. It does appear that the 2315 stick has much more of a rearward angle than the 65-66 stick #3232.

Unfortunately your options are very limited and expensive. Theoretically you should just be able to switch the stick and off you go. But the right parts to do that aren't available or they aren't cheap.

Here's what I think your options are:

1. If you have a console, the only stick I know of that will work would be an original stick, whether it be a 2315 (1964) or 3232 (1965-66). NONE of the aftermarket sticks will work with a console.

2. If you don't have a console, you have a little, but not much, more latitude. You could try an aftermarket stick, but it appears there is not a reproduction stick that replicates either the 2315 or 3232 that is sold by itself. None of the 4 round bar sticks on Hurst Sifters Online looks like a suitable replacement to me.

3. The Parts Place apparently has a proprietary shifter that DOES have a have a round bar stick that appears to be more of an angle like a 2315 stick. But this is the whole shifter that is $369, so that is probably not a real option.

That leaves 2 options at this point.

4. As Tom V. said, you may want to look at getting a 64 shifter and using that. This will not be cheap either, but it is one of two realistic solutions to what you want to do.

5. The last option would be to buy a 2315 stick only and use it in your 65 shifter body. This will not be much, if any, cheaper than #3 or #4. Hurst Sifters Online wants $350 for a restored stick - no shifter, just the stick.

So, that pretty much sums it up. You could contact Hurst and see what they say and / or you could contact Pete Serio at Precision Pontiac. Pete is the Hurst shifter guru and he would know if there was any other solution for you. With all due respect to Pete, I don't think there is anything else that hasn't been mentioned. But it may be worth a call.

Here's the Parts Place shifter:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-66-Pon...2tk:rk:20:pf:0

Here's Pete's website:

http://precisionpontiac.net/

I know I didn't solve the problem, but this is the best I can come up with.

Terry

[TROYBOYONE]

xgoater: In post #4, your picture of handle #5387438 shows a rearward angle of 3.75 in.. How does this compare to the 1964 handle #2315. I understand that it also has a side angle opposite of the correct #2315 handle, but that may be ok for me. I don't have a console.

Also do you know if the #2390008 bottom adapter is completely vertical, or does it have a side angle one way or the other?

Thanks again for spending time with me on this issue !

Gary

[xgoater]

Gary,

I measured my 2315 stick angle (pictures below). Not quite NASA exact, but I think it is close enough for your needs. It may be hard to see, but I measure a 4.25" rearward angle on the 2315 stick.

The 2390008 bottom is a perfectly flat, no angle whatsoever.

It sounds like you are going to try this combination, which is fine. Just be aware that the ENTIRE shifter must be disassembled in order to remove your one piece stick and replace it with the new stick and bottom piece. This includes disassembling the carrier with the 2 springs. The lower spring and washer on the reverse interlock plunger are a real bear to get back in. Yes, it can be done, but it is not easy. Also attached below is a diagram of a Hurst shifter with the one piece stick.

Terry

[TROYBOYONE]

xgoater: Thank you so much for your expert response to my inquiry. You have done a lot of research and picture taking, and I appreciate it.

I will continue to ponder this issue and decide which of the alternatives would be best for me. Thank You again !

Gary

[LPI]

Gary,

What I have found is the early 64-67 Hurst three speed (no name) round handle shifter arm is almost identical to an original 1964 GTO (no name) round handle shifter arm.

I am installing one of the no name three speed shifter arms into a Long/Richmond 5 speed shifter body to make it look like the car has an original 4 speed shifter in it.

I have been looking for a round no name handle for years and ran into one at Jefferson about three years ago. Guy had it labeled as a GM three speed shifter.

It is a bit chilly here right now, when I get back over to the shop this weekend I will take some pictures and post them up so you can see the resemblance.

To a "true" 64 guy they will probably be able to tell but for the remaining 80% of the people I don't think they will notice. Worse case scenario I might have to heat the handle up and "massage" the bend and then have it re-chromed.

Stay tune...

[xgoater]

Gary,

You're welcome. I do appreciate the acknowledgement of the time and effort. Yes, think it over for a bit and hopefully you will come up with an affordable solution.

Terry

[433lemans]

Part of my collection includes these shifters: The one on the left is the standard 65 - 66 shifter, the one on the right is my no-stamp 64 shifter I showed you in the ads. The one in the middle is stamped 3742. Pete's book identifies it as "All 3 speed with bucket seats, with or without console. Special factory shifter for 3 speed transmission only". The base receiver part is exactly the same as the 4 speed.

I have the nearly complete shifter in pieces (no knob or plastic bushings) with this lever and may consider letting it go, as a unit.

[Tom Vaught]

Just buying the Base Receiver would allow getting the 64 Shifter location in the 65 shifter unit.

Tom V.

[TROYBOYONE]

433lemans: Would the center handle, the 3 - speed, be a direct fit into my 65 shifter assembly without any kind of an adapter? If it would be, then what would the price of the shifter handle only be. You can respond by a 'PM' if you wish .

[1_Wild_Cat]

So if I am following this...My 64 GTO with the 3-speed would have used handle 3742 rather than the 2315?

[Peter Serio]

The factory 3 speed shifter for the 64 and 65 Lemans & GTO was based on Hurst's Mystery shifter. Since these early GTO factory shifters all came with a chrome stick "built into" the shifter; the round chrome stick(s) were never made to be removed nor interchanged. The welded GTO round chrome stick out of a Hurst mystery shifter cannot be interchanged into anything else. Starting with the 1966 model year the base assembly for the original GTO or Lemans 3 speed Hurst shifter was no longer based on the Mystery shifter. It was based on Hurst's Syncro-loc shifter.

Part # 3742 is the chrome stick element out of a 1966 (or early 1967) bucket seat factory 3 speed Pontac A body car shifter. This 3 speed stick is specially angled and curved to be a 3 speed shifter stick. The 1966 GTO factory 4 speed stick had a different side to side angle as well as a different slight rearward bend to the stick.


All 4 speed shifters as used in the GTO (1964-1972) from the factory were based on the Competition/Plus design.

[LPI]

This is the chrome "No name" shifter arm that I found that is the closest resemblance to a factory 1964 GTO shifter arm.

It has no part number on the base and it fits in a "bolt on" type shifter body.

I was hoping Peter would maybe shed some light on to what or where this shifter arm came from.

[TROYBOYONE]

Peter Serio: I spoke with Hurst Tech dept. They state that a replacement handle for 1964 & early 65 is available as part #5389016. I'm not sure the bottom of this handle where the 2 holes are is correct for an original 64/65 'competition plus' shifter base. What do you think?